CBP Facility to be Opened in Abu Dhabi

[fareview]

LH. ANA, JAL & AF etc do exactly what EK do by feeding US pax through their hubs to onwards connections. EK have repeatedly challenged airline leaders at industry events to show evidence of subsidies. We are audited by PWC. Not one CEO has been able to produce anything.

Many of the major US carriers are in alliances with airlines with low labor costs - not a problem when they are batting for your team (eg just one example Delta's partner Saudia in Skyteam).

EK will have 140 (currently 90ish) 777 on property in coming years - all bringing jobs to Americans - it's not all about you guys. The UAE is invaluable to US strategic interests.

Relax ALPA - it's a logical security move to set this up before the INADs get on the jet.

fv

 

[General Lee]

LH. ANA, JAL & AF etc do exactly what EK do by feeding US pax through their hubs to onwards connections. EK have repeatedly challenged airline leaders at industry events to show evidence of subsidies. We are audited by PWC. Not one CEO has been able to produce anything.

Many of the major US carriers are in alliances with airlines with low labor costs - not a problem when they are batting for your team (eg just one example Delta's partner Saudia in Skyteam).

EK will have 140 (currently 90ish) 777 on property in coming years - all bringing jobs to Americans - it's not all about you guys. The UAE is invaluable to US strategic interests.

Relax ALPA - it's a logical security move to set this up before the INADs get on the jet.

fv

Uhhhhh, not really. DL and Saudia have an alliance and really only "codeshare" on one or two flights from JFK to Jeddah and Riyadh. As far as subsidies go, EK gets a break on labor costs, gas in the ME, and cheap loans via the EX IM bank for 777s, designed actually to help POOR countries. Tell me again how any airline can afford to order 120 A380s and 140 777s? Ask PWC that. They'll probably shrug their shoulders and say "I see nothing!" (Sgt Shultz). That's like you buying the Burj Khalifa building in Dubai. Good luck with that. But hey, PWC said you could do it, without ANY help too.

As far as US strategic interests in the ME, would you like the US to leave? Iran might want that, and they are looking at you like a steak dinner. And Boeing does like your business, but so would Comac of China and Antonov of Russia. Those two companies really need more jobs. Go help them out too.


And Psssssssst, here is an article from Bloomberg saying you guys might order up to 275 new varient 777s. Hmmmmmmm, how do you guys pay for that? Isn't THAT SPECIAL....

Emirates Asks Boeing for 777 Successor Specs Before Making Order


By Andrea Rothman - Apr 17, 2013 7:56 AM MT Bloomberg

Emirates, the biggest operator of the Boeing 777, is pressing for more information about a successor aircraft before considering an order for the replacement of the U.S. manufacturer?s bestselling airliner.

"We're working closely to get to specifications we're happy with," Emirates President Tim Clark said in an interview in Paris today. "That means layouts, the seats, the galleys, getting the weights right, getting the fuel burn."

Clark has said he may need as many as 275 777s for replacement and expansion, a requirement so large his airline is likely to become the so-called launch customer of the successor plane. While Emirates is more advanced in talks with Boeing than other carriers, it doesn't expect to be ready to table an order at the Paris Air Show in June, Clark said.

Boeing's 777 is the centerpiece of the planemaker's wide-body strategy, a lucrative segment of the civil aviation market that's coming under fresh attack from Airbus SAS and its new A350, specifically the A350-1000 that's similar in size.

Emirates has ordered a total of 139 777 planes, which seat about 365 people and cost $315 million at list price in the most popular variant. Customers typically receive discounts




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[General Lee]

Abu Dhabi preclearance plan enrages European airlines
Routes News, Wednesday, 17 April 2013
Written by Piers Evans

Abu Dhabi preclearance plan enrages European airlines

A deal signed this week by US and UAE authorities for a US customs outpost in the UAE has been blasted by the Association of European Airlines (AEA).

The planned facility at Abu Dhabi would allow travellers to clear US customs before boarding their flights, handing a pivotal commercial edge to Etihad over European carriers, according to the AEA.

While passengers from the UAE would skip customs procedures on arrival in the US, fliers with European airlines are now facing lengthening queues as the US ?sequester? kicks in, Geert Sciot of the AEA told Routes News.

"Passengers arriving in the States have to wait up to three hours at certain airports before they can pass migration," said Sciot, AEA?s general manager for communications.

"Due to the recent US budget cuts, the situation will get even worse."

The US ?sequester? follows a failed budget negotiation between President Obama and his Republican opponents that has triggered automatic cuts.

From Europe, only travellers on flights from Dublin and Shannon in Ireland can bypass US customs through preclearance before boarding, although other countries are seeking similar arrangements.

For Sciot, the agreement with Abu Dhabi tilts the playing field against European airlines.

"European airlines do their utmost to attract connecting passengers from all around the world," he told Routes News.

"The fair competition for these passengers was so far based on fares, schedules and airline service. Now it will also be based on preclearance."

Airlines for America (A4A) has also come down heavily against the proposed customs facility in Abu Dhabi, which the trade body describes as a ?pay-to-play? scheme that unfairly rewards investment by Abu Dhabi authorities.

"At a time when US carriers and airports are fighting to maintain our global competitiveness, the US government should not be signing a deal that benefits a foreign emirate and its wholly owned national carrier, particularly since no US carrier serves that emirate," said president and CEO Nicholas E Calio.

?Middle Eastern carriers and their governments make no secret about their aim to make locations like Abu Dhabi global hubs for commerce and tourism. Having the US government support that goal at the expense of US workers, airlines and our economy defies comprehension."

A ?Draw the Line Here? campaign is gathering online support to force a US government backtrack.

Geert called on US authorities to invest instead to cut the waiting times that are already forcing European carriers to adjust their schedules to avoid peak hours.

From Abu Dhabi, Etihad currently flies direct to New York?s John F Kennedy Airport (JFK), Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Chicago?s O?Hare International Airport (ORD).



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[Varmint]

Uhhhhh, not really. DL and Saudia have an alliance and really only "codeshare" on one or two flights from JFK to Jeddah and Riyadh. As far as subsidies go, EK gets a break on labor costs,

Air France...Lufthansa....All are government sponsored airlines. Air France is a big player in Delta's European connection structure and they consistently operate in the red.

By the way....when Delta comes to Dubai they get a break on labor costs as well. Do you think that they insist on paying the workers who handle their flights in Dubai double or triple the going rate because that is the right thing to do? No, of course they don't. They take advantage of the low cost of labor just as the other airlines who operate in and out of Dubai do and they would do the same thing in the ATL if they could get away with it.

 

[fareview]

EK to order 275 777Xs. see Bloomberg link.

This is great for American jobs and industry.

ALPA wont beat the Boeing machinists or the lobbyists for Americas largest exporter.

The US Open skies policy is designed to increase jobs and encourage vibrant competition for consumers. I would say at $315m a piece before discount - it has worked.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ing-order.html

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[fareview]

Not a reputable airline FO in the M/east that gets paid what DAL lets their regionals pay there FOs.

Talk about worker exploitation - Comair, Mesa, ASA etc. all Deltas passengers. Our Cabin Crew get paid more than a starting Connection pilot.

Disgraceful.

fv

 

[flyboyike]

As far as US strategic interests in the ME, would you like the US to leave? Iran might want that, and they are looking at you like a steak dinner. And Boeing does like your business, but so would Comac of China and Antonov of Russia. Those two companies really need more jobs. Go help them out too.

Antonov is in the Ukraine, but carry on...

 

[Sparse]

Still don't think ME carriers are a threat?

I haven't kept up with ALPA and politics since ALPA put the screws to Delta retirees, but hasn't ALPA endorsed the Democrats in the past several election cycles?

I guess what goes around comes around Lee.

 

[Flyer1015]

How's that sand taste......whenever you pull your head out, let us know!!!

Eh, the SFO beaches are ok. I've had better in Hawaii and Fiji.

 

[General Lee]

I haven't kept up with ALPA and politics since ALPA put the screws to Delta retirees, but hasn't ALPA endorsed the Democrats in the past several election cycles?

I guess what goes around comes around Lee.

I think during the first election, but maybe not this last one. There is a certain Sec of Transportation that hasn't always been as favorable to this industry as others in the past.


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[General Lee]

Not a reputable airline FO in the M/east that gets paid what DAL lets their regionals pay there FOs.

Talk about worker exploitation - Comair, Mesa, ASA etc. all Deltas passengers. Our Cabin Crew get paid more than a starting Connection pilot.

Disgraceful.

fv

How about Fly Dubai? How are they handled? I think they are YOUR regional, and their terms are not even CLOSE to yours. Talk about Disgraceful. Have you seen where they get to fly and what their schedules are? Do you want to see, I can provide a great link to PPRUNE so you can educate yourself. And, quit choking on sand while you're at it.


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[Dornier 335]

How about Fly Dubai? How are they handled? I think they are YOUR regional, and their terms are not even CLOSE to yours. Talk about Disgraceful. Have you seen where they get to fly and what their schedules are? Do you want to see, I can provide a great link to PPRUNE so you can educate yourself. And, quit choking on sand while you're at it.


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Hey General,

do me a favor please and post that link.

Thanks,

3 3 5

 

[fareview]

From flydubai's website see below:

Starting salary of 1st year FO $10,704 per month six weeks paid vacation, education assistance.

Of you're $128,455.28 1st year salary - you owe tax on only the last $35k, the first $95 is tax free. It's essentially a starting salary of $160,000 first year pay.

What you need to take into account is the speed within which you will get command at FZ & EK. For instance if you joined EK now you would be a Capt in the 380/777/350 before you would be off RSV as an FO on a 767 at a popular Delta hub.

A complete EK Capt package is in the region of $300k +/- depending on your housing choice. No RSV (we all do 35days every ten months) BUT more importantly - we all get paid the same no matter what Jet you fly - our customers are not worth less because they are on an A330 over an A380 - A Delta customer may not even get on a mainline on a multi leg journey - do they realize what their pilots are getting paid (can you say food stamps - happens all the time at the regionals)

I know a lot of furloughed guys who are hear now in the LHS - not one is going back that I have heard of.

The global beer tour continues ; >

It's not for everyone but with the numbers above a viable option.

Regional carriers operate over 50% of domestic US flights. Any of the Connection carriers start their FOs on the above - no way - maybe 15% of what it starts at over here.

I talked to a guy from Michigan, met him at a bar in Dubai - Capt for AirArabia He upgraded aft two years and makes $16,800 per month - came from a US regional. Go figure.

So GL- when you talk of exploiting cheap labor - I presume you are talking about the US regional carriers. Over 50% of domestic US flying is done by the regional airlines - of which DAL happily exploits. As I said above -disgraceful.

Stones in glass houses yet again. Your FZ package knowledge is almost as good as your EK route knowledge (can you say - DXB.MXP.JFK)

From FlyDubai website:

"First officers - approximately AED 39,500 per month (tax free).
As a valued member of the flydubai team you?ll also receive the following benefits:
private medical and dental insurance for you and subsidised cover for your spouse and up to 3 children
personal accident/life insurance covering up to 24 months of your basic salary
loss of licence insurance for up to 24 months of your basic salary
42 days annual leave
free airline tickets for you, your spouse and up to 3 children to your annual leave destination
end of service benefits in line with UAE labour law
financial support for your children?s education for a maximum of three children aged between 4 and 18 years in full-time education
Bond - Pilots already rated on our aircraft will be subject to a non-contributory training bond of USD 24,000 which will depreciate in equal amounts over a period of 36 months, and non-rated pilots will be subject to a non-contributory training bond of USD 36,000 depreciating in equal amounts over a period of 36 months
Apply to be a flydubai pilot"

 

[fareview]

NY Times reporting of massive arms deal with Israel,Saudi & UAE - culminating from a year of negotiations.

26 F-16s to UAE alone worth without munitions - $5bn

Great for US jobs...

fv

 

[Varmint]

How about Fly Dubai? How are they handled? I think they are YOUR regional, and their terms are not even CLOSE to yours. Talk about Disgraceful. Have you seen where they get to fly and what their schedules are? Do you want to see, I can provide a great link to PPRUNE so you can educate yourself. And, quit choking on sand while you're at it.


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Say what? Who has cheap SKILLED labor?

From APC....I will give DAL the benefit of the doubt with an 80 hour reserve monthly guarantee for the first year.

$66/hr x 80 = $5280 DAL the first 12 months subtract tax at 12%($630)=$4700 base pay/month for the first year

In 7-8 years as a 747 FO DAL base pay FINALLY catches up to fly Dubai's
OR
NEVER on anything less than a 767-300 as First Officer

DELTA:
$4700 per month the first year

FLY DUBAI:
$10704 tax free per month the first year

 

[Jetjockey]

NY Times reporting of massive arms deal with Israel,Saudi & UAE - culminating from a year of negotiations.

26 F-16s to UAE alone worth without munitions - $5bn

Great for US jobs...

fv

Great for jobs, even better for fighting an impending war of a certain Persian country with heavy nuclear ambitions. Don't confuse political with strategic moves.

 

[fareview]

Lets hope the intel is right this time

fv

 

[8sugarsugar]

How about Fly Dubai? How are they handled? I think they are YOUR regional, and their terms are not even CLOSE to yours. Talk about Disgraceful. Have you seen where they get to fly and what their schedules are? Do you want to see, I can provide a great link to PPRUNE so you can educate yourself. And, quit choking on sand while you're at it.


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HAHAHAHA, now that has to be the most low information post from Delta guy..ever

 

[General Lee]

HAHAHAHA, now that has to be the most low information post from Delta guy..ever

What? You really only read the FlyDubai website? No personal accounts? Oh, that's right, you don't hang out with "them...."


Here is an account for Fly Dubai from someone on PPRUNE:



Think twice
Think twice before signing a 3 year bond with FZ. I would never have done this looking back.
The roster is absolutely crap causing extrem fatigue still being disregarded by the company. No one cares about the crew as long as the flight departs on time day or night.
You fly to destinations that are high risk carrying military personnel and weapons.
You will be blocked for 3 years for EK and now FZ have requested a permanent ban for both EK and EY. This has unofficially been approved so forget joining EK or EY after joining FZ, you will be stuck.
Very bad atmosphere in FZ due all the disapointed employees and most crew are looking for other jobs.
Sadly nothing is being done by management......

You have been warned....

And another portion of the same thread from a different pilot about living in Dubai:


Living life well and modestly in DXB is harder than I thought and a recent report in the press here said 70% of ex-pat workers find it difficult or impossible to send money home. I've been here 3yrs and only in the last few months have I been able to save anything.

A modest 3 bed townhouse villa in an expat community will cost you about $40,000 to rent per year. Food costs are 20-30% more than I was paying back home. I know the package looks like king's ransom compared to the regionals, but you will burn through it at an alarming rate. Most people need about $10-15000 just to set themselves up over here, paying deposits, buying cars, furniture, paying the UAE government for an almost endless number of pieces of paper



What's funny SugarSugar is that you and Fareview can't find anything other than the "official" website offerrings from that airline. Of course it will be rosy, according to them, they want new employees. And, the pay does seem ok, but according to most, you don't have the same benefits at that airline as YOURS, so that higher pay doesn't go as far when you don't get the same thinks EK offers, right? AM I RIGHT?

You guys in the Sandpit can enjoy it, but as US Majors start recalls, many of those expats will be tempted to leave and find some NORMALCY. If you want to stay over there and live in that atmosphere that isn't even close to ours over here, then SOBEIT.


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[General Lee]

Say what? Who has cheap SKILLED labor?

From APC....I will give DAL the benefit of the doubt with an 80 hour reserve monthly guarantee for the first year.

$66/hr x 80 = $5280 DAL the first 12 months subtract tax at 12%($630)=$4700 base pay/month for the first year

In 7-8 years as a 747 FO DAL base pay FINALLY catches up to fly Dubai's
OR
NEVER on anything less than a 767-300 as First Officer

DELTA:
$4700 per month the first year

FLY DUBAI:
$10704 tax free per month the first year

From PPRUNE:



Living life well and modestly in DXB is harder than I thought and a recent report in the press here said 70% of ex-pat workers find it difficult or impossible to send money home. I've been here 3yrs and only in the last few months have I been able to save anything.

A modest 3 bed townhouse villa in an expat community will cost you about $40,000 to rent per year. Food costs are 20-30% more than I was paying back home. I know the package looks like king's ransom compared to the regionals, but you will burn through it at an alarming rate. Most people need about $10-15000 just to set themselves up over here, paying deposits, buying cars, furniture, paying the UAE government for an almost endless number of pieces of paper


Hey Varmit,

Did you forget about setting yourself up in DXB vs a hub in the US after being hired by a Major? You seemed to have forgotten a lot. And, you can't openly kiss your girlfriend on the street over there. How much is that worth to you?


Bye Bye---General Lee