CBP Facility to be Opened in Abu Dhabi

[nwaf16dude]

NY Times reporting of massive arms deal with Israel,Saudi & UAE - culminating from a year of negotiations.

26 F-16s to UAE alone worth without munitions - $5bn

Great for US jobs...

fv

Interesting...mainly because the UAE is having a very hard time producing enough pilots to man the 80ish F-16's they already have. There will be lots of mercenary pilot jobs available.

 

[General Lee]

Interesting...mainly because the UAE is having a very hard time producing enough pilots to man the 80ish F-16's they already have. There will be lots of mercenary pilot jobs available.

And ask Fareview, is that GREAT for the UAE economy? Sure it is! Hillarious!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Jetjockey]

UAE doesn't need to "produce" pilots, they can just buy them like everything else. Customs facilities, US backed military hardware, US government protection, etc, etc.

One trick pony, OIL REVENUE. Not that's it NOT a pretty trick. Live by the (sword)oil, die by the (sword)oil.

 

[Varmint]

From PPRUNE:



Living life well and modestly in DXB is harder than I thought and a recent report in the press here said 70% of ex-pat workers find it difficult or impossible to send money home. I've been here 3yrs and only in the last few months have I been able to save anything.

A modest 3 bed townhouse villa in an expat community will cost you about $40,000 to rent per year. Food costs are 20-30% more than I was paying back home. I know the package looks like king's ransom compared to the regionals, but you will burn through it at an alarming rate. Most people need about $10-15000 just to set themselves up over here, paying deposits, buying cars, furniture, paying the UAE government for an almost endless number of pieces of paper


Hey Varmit,

Did you forget about setting yourself up in DXB vs a hub in the US after being hired by a Major? You seemed to have forgotten a lot. And, you can't openly kiss your girlfriend on the street over there. How much is that worth to you?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Your credibility score on this is a "0". Ship a container over and minimize setup costs. You will have the move and your set up paid off in 3/4 of a month. You want to start over with all new everything...OF COURSE you will pay for it. PPRUNE as a source? Come on General, you can do better than that.

I have plenty of friends flying for flyDubai over here and most seem to be happy. If you want to live in the popular trendy part of town, of course you are going to pay more.

 

[nwaf16dude]

UAE doesn't need to "produce" pilots, they can just buy them like everything else. Customs facilities, US backed military hardware, US government protection, etc, etc.

One trick pony, OIL REVENUE. Not that's it NOT a pretty trick. Live by the (sword)oil, die by the (sword)oil.

Having some personal knowledge of the program, I know that the Emiratis would prefer to have their own citizens flying those jets, but they just don't have enough, and many of those that they do have treat it as a part-time "club gig." The money they are offering for mercs looks good at first glance, but it really isn't enough...at least it wasn't enough for me.

 

[8sugarsugar]

What? You really only read the FlyDubai website? No personal accounts? Oh, that's right, you don't hang out with "them...."


Here is an account for Fly Dubai from someone on PPRUNE:



Think twice
Think twice before signing a 3 year bond with FZ. I would never have done this looking back.
The roster is absolutely crap causing extrem fatigue still being disregarded by the company. No one cares about the crew as long as the flight departs on time day or night.
You fly to destinations that are high risk carrying military personnel and weapons.
You will be blocked for 3 years for EK and now FZ have requested a permanent ban for both EK and EY. This has unofficially been approved so forget joining EK or EY after joining FZ, you will be stuck.
Very bad atmosphere in FZ due all the disapointed employees and most crew are looking for other jobs.
Sadly nothing is being done by management......

You have been warned....

And another portion of the same thread from a different pilot about living in Dubai:


Living life well and modestly in DXB is harder than I thought and a recent report in the press here said 70% of ex-pat workers find it difficult or impossible to send money home. I've been here 3yrs and only in the last few months have I been able to save anything.

A modest 3 bed townhouse villa in an expat community will cost you about $40,000 to rent per year. Food costs are 20-30% more than I was paying back home. I know the package looks like king's ransom compared to the regionals, but you will burn through it at an alarming rate. Most people need about $10-15000 just to set themselves up over here, paying deposits, buying cars, furniture, paying the UAE government for an almost endless number of pieces of paper



What's funny SugarSugar is that you and Fareview can't find anything other than the "official" website offerrings from that airline. Of course it will be rosy, according to them, they want new employees. And, the pay does seem ok, but according to most, you don't have the same benefits at that airline as YOURS, so that higher pay doesn't go as far when you don't get the same thinks EK offers, right? AM I RIGHT?

You guys in the Sandpit can enjoy it, but as US Majors start recalls, many of those expats will be tempted to leave and find some NORMALCY. If you want to stay over there and live in that atmosphere that isn't even close to ours over here, then SOBEIT.


Bye Bye---General Lee

i can't stop laughing, PPRUNE as your only source? Even lower information post than your last.

Delta guy, have you actually ever been to Dubai to see for yourself?

 

[General Lee]

i can't stop laughing, PPRUNE as your only source? Even lower information post than your last.

Delta guy, have you actually ever been to Dubai to see for yourself?

You're laughing? Do you laugh a lot while putting on SPF 150 sunscreen? Sure you do. No, no I don't go to Dubai to ask people about it. PPRUNE has plenty of testimonials, about EK too. Why are you on FI? Shouldn't you be doing an intra ME flight to Beirut? Enjoy that, I won't be doing that. Remember I did talk to an Ex Delta pilot who is now a 777 Capt for you guys on a layover in DUS and when he thought I was asking about opportunities at EK told me "you're at a US legacy, never leave." I told him I wasn't planning on it, and he said he had wished he hadn't resigned from DL after 9-11. So, there you have it. Enjoy the Sandpit, Tehran, and all the other hot spots out there, I won't be. Bye!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fareview]

Unreal GL,

When you are beat , you are beat.

Sometimes I get it wrong ...and put my hand up.

Yet You use FZ to articulate a point that is completely wrong....and then you change the topic. FZ pilots get paid 2.5 times what DAL pilots make in Yr 1. You just are unable to accept your gross misrepresentation - good news is most people on here sigh, yawn & ignore you because you have an inability to look inward.

Here's the thing...EK pilots don't tell DAL pilots how bad their life is because we don't live it.

Yet somehow you know our gig...let me tell you .. You have no idea ...but you do.

I have a job that you will never have...and it hurts doesn't it ..

Don't worry you can pull my gear anytime jnr

fv

 

[General Lee]

Unreal GL,

When you are beat , you are beat.

Sometimes I get it wrong ...and put my hand up.

You use FZ to articulate a point that is completely wrong....and then you change the topic.

Here's the thing...EK pilots don't tell DAL pilots how bad their life is because we don't live it.

Yet somehow you know our gig...let me tell you .. You have no idea ...but you do.

I have a job that you will never have...and it hurts doesn't it ..

Don't worry you can pull my gear anytime jnr

fv

You are joking of course. You compared DCI or Regional flying as flying that is "cheap labor", just like your CHEAPER FZ. It's true, those guys don't even get CLOSE to your pay or benefits, yet they do your "regional" flying, taking a lot of your A330 flying intra Gulf with their 738s. (just like the regionals have taken some of the smaller towns around our hubs) You just can't disagree with that, because YOU WOULD BE WRONG. Check out the schedules from DXB to Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. Used to be more A330s, now mainly 738s...... YOU ARE WRONG.....

DL pilots, or any LEGACY pilot in the US has a better lifestyle compared to yours because of your SURROUNDINGS. It's just true, watch the videos that the Qantas guys were given about future layovers there. It's actually quite alarming, and something most people have to think twice about. It is what it is. It's hard to tell US pilots that EK is better than the US legacies, because we are HOME. We get to come HOME after each trip. Many Expats over there get to come HOME, but then return and most likely have to stay around there. (in the region) That doesn't sound fun, and no wonder EK pilots don't say that. (although that ex DL guy I met in DUS did--he said be thankful where you are at, and I am)

I have a great job, flying widebodies from the US to Europe, Asia, and South America (I avoid Africa, you probably don't, sorry about that, enjoy the malerone). I don't want your job, and I don't want to slather SPF 150 on myself everyday. YOU DO. What do they say about your Summers? Arizona hot and Florida humidity? NO THANKS. You can have your job, I don't want it.

And, I won't be pulling gear for you, you will be coming back over here and asking for a ramper job. When I do see you on the ramp, I will throw you a small bottle of water, and say, "Thanks for the good work, keep loading the bags, we want to go ontime."



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[fareview]

Listen jnr remind me quickly before I my chauffeur takes my bags from my five bed villa to the limo...

..How long has the most jnr capt on the 777 been at DAL..

fv

 

[General Lee]

Listen jnr remind me quickly before I my chauffeur takes my bags from my five bed villa to the limo...

..How long has the most jnr capt on the 777 been at DAL..

fv

Thanks CAPT, I don't care if you are a 777 Capt. Air Angola has 777-300s too, but I wouldn't take that job EVER. Do you know why a Chauffeur has to pick you up? Traffic in DXB would kill you, no rules over there. And how is that compound of yours? Are you an Emirate'? Are you from there originally? Are they favored there? How does that make you feel? I have a huge house here in ATL, I can drive safely to work in my nice car, and play golf on the weekends in comfortable weather. You can't! You lose!

Your Captainship defines you, yet you will NEVER be a true citizen there, and you know it. I can hold Capt now, but I am waiting for the plane I want, and will always feel at HOME here. As the EK 777 Capt told me in DUS, "never leave your US Major job." Jealous? You will be. Contact Tehran Approach. Bye Angolan 777 Capt loser! (Whatever!). Tip your chauffeur while you're at it Capt (especially if he is a local, he will get your job eventually). Hahaha.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Thanks CAPT, I don't care if you are a 777 Capt. Air Angola has 777-300s too, but I wouldn't take that job EVER. Do you know why a Chauffeur has to pick you up? Traffic in DXB would kill you, no rules over there. And how is that compound of yours? Are you an Emirate'? Are you from there originally? Are they favored there? How does that make you feel? I have a huge house here in ATL, I can drive safely to work in my nice car, and play golf on the weekends in comfortable weather. You can't! You lose!

Your Captainship defines you, yet you will NEVER be a true citizen there, and you know it. I can hold Capt now, but I am waiting for the plane I want, and will always feel at HOME here. As the EK 777 Capt told me in DUS, "never leave your US Major job." Jealous? You will be. Contact Tehran Approach. Bye Angolan 777 Capt loser! (Whatever!). Tip your chauffeur while you're at it Capt (especially if he is a local, he will get your job eventually). Hahaha.

Bye Bye---General Lee

OH! He got under your skin there Jenny!:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

OH! He got under your skin there Jenny!:laugh:

Under my skin? Because he has someone drive him to work to ENSURE he makes it there due to bad traffic? Nah, guys like him make me laugh. Expats are really NEVER wanted in those countries by the other employees, and are never really treated the same. It's tough to be an "outsider" in a different country, and you probably know that yourself. Guys like Fairview and SugarSugar probably have unhappy spouses, restrictions on everyday normalcy that we have in the States, and only really have their "Capt wings." What do I have? Family nearby, a car with normal traffic to work, a nice house with nice neighbors that say hi, etc. I get to fly to Europe once a week, and I have things in common with my crew members. That's not getting under my Skin Dumbpilot, that's reminding me why I enjoy what I do and where I do it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[8sugarsugar]

You're laughing? Do you laugh a lot while putting on SPF 150 sunscreen? Sure you do. No, no I don't go to Dubai to ask people about it. PPRUNE has plenty of testimonials, about EK too. Why are you on FI? Shouldn't you be doing an intra ME flight to Beirut? Enjoy that, I won't be doing that. Remember I did talk to an Ex Delta pilot who is now a 777 Capt for you guys on a layover in DUS and when he thought I was asking about opportunities at EK told me "you're at a US legacy, never leave." I told him I wasn't planning on it, and he said he had wished he hadn't resigned from DL after 9-11. So, there you have it. Enjoy the Sandpit, Tehran, and all the other hot spots out there, I won't be. Bye!



Bye Bye---General Lee

still laughing, u have no clue

NO one here has claimed that Emirates is a better job than Delta, they just correct the false information you post...still, when proven dead wrong, you revert back to "Delta is better than you"

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Under my skin? Because he has someone drive him to work to ENSURE he makes it there due to bad traffic? Nah, guys like him make me laugh. Expats are really NEVER wanted in those countries by the other employees, and are never really treated the same. It's tough to be an "outsider" in a different country, and you probably know that yourself. Guys like Fairview and SugarSugar probably have unhappy spouses, restrictions on everyday normalcy that we have in the States, and only really have their "Capt wings." What do I have? Family nearby, a car with normal traffic to work, a nice house with nice neighbors that say hi, etc. I get to fly to Europe once a week, and I have things in common with my crew members. That's not getting under my Skin Dumbpilot, that's reminding me why I enjoy what I do and where I do it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Riiiiiight!

 

[Jetjockey]

Actually you lost me when you said living in Atlanta was better than a compound in Dubai.

 

[General Lee]

Actually you lost me when you said living in Atlanta was better than a compound in Dubai.

All of ATL is bad? No. And, you can kiss a girlfriend in public without fear of jail in Atlanta. Amazing!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Riiiiiight!

Hope I didn't get under YOUR skin, Mr. Expat. Sad but true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

still laughing, u have no clue

NO one here has claimed that Emirates is a better job than Delta, they just correct the false information you post...still, when proven dead wrong, you revert back to "Delta is better than you"

"Dead" wrong? Ummmmm no. FZ's package isn't even close, most of the flights are at night and into "interesting" cities, and a lot of people there appear to be unhappy. They recently took over a lot of your intra Gulf flying to places like Kuwait and Bahrain. Therefore, they are your cheaper labor, your "Regional." Keep your head in the sand (literally and figuratively) and dismiss that. Oh well, I still win, I am happy flying at HOME while you are doing an allnight turn to Lahore or Kochi. Please try to "correct" any of that. You can't.

Oh yeah, Fairview stated his job was better because his "chauffeur" was picking him up...who cares btw? He needs one due to the terrible traffic in DXB, he forgot to mention that part....did you forget that one Sugarsugar? Don't give "false information" while you're at it. Looks like you did. Go read PPRUNE for some actual testimonials and then get back to me. Not everyone likes the Sandpit believe it or not, regardless of what you think. Bye Baghdad Bob!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Flyer1015]

What? You really only read the FlyDubai website? No personal accounts? Oh, that's right, you don't hang out with "them...."


Here is an account for Fly Dubai from someone on PPRUNE:



Think twice
Think twice before signing a 3 year bond with FZ. I would never have done this looking back.
The roster is absolutely crap causing extrem fatigue still being disregarded by the company. No one cares about the crew as long as the flight departs on time day or night.
You fly to destinations that are high risk carrying military personnel and weapons.
You will be blocked for 3 years for EK and now FZ have requested a permanent ban for both EK and EY. This has unofficially been approved so forget joining EK or EY after joining FZ, you will be stuck.
Very bad atmosphere in FZ due all the disapointed employees and most crew are looking for other jobs.
Sadly nothing is being done by management......

You have been warned....

And another portion of the same thread from a different pilot about living in Dubai:


Living life well and modestly in DXB is harder than I thought and a recent report in the press here said 70% of ex-pat workers find it difficult or impossible to send money home. I've been here 3yrs and only in the last few months have I been able to save anything.

A modest 3 bed townhouse villa in an expat community will cost you about $40,000 to rent per year. Food costs are 20-30% more than I was paying back home. I know the package looks like king's ransom compared to the regionals, but you will burn through it at an alarming rate. Most people need about $10-15000 just to set themselves up over here, paying deposits, buying cars, furniture, paying the UAE government for an almost endless number of pieces of paper



What's funny SugarSugar is that you and Fareview can't find anything other than the "official" website offerrings from that airline. Of course it will be rosy, according to them, they want new employees. And, the pay does seem ok, but according to most, you don't have the same benefits at that airline as YOURS, so that higher pay doesn't go as far when you don't get the same thinks EK offers, right? AM I RIGHT?

You guys in the Sandpit can enjoy it, but as US Majors start recalls, many of those expats will be tempted to leave and find some NORMALCY. If you want to stay over there and live in that atmosphere that isn't even close to ours over here, then SOBEIT.


Bye Bye---General Lee

General,

You really have to take Pprune with a grain of salt. It's like Flightinfo on steroids mixed with a roofie. 99% will say they got screwed no matter what.