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B19 Flyer said:
It's clear that you understand the mining industry and can comment on it.

I don't share your view and won't comment on the mining industry. But in aviation, unions impede safety progress by interfering and watering down critical programs. I would like to see cameras on the flight deck and the ability to see all FOQA data. I want to know where the problems are and not bury it under the false impression of privacy. Keeping pilots and passengers alive should not be interfered with in any way shape or form.

When they succeed in helping everybody they make sure everybody knows it. When they impede progress nobody knows and it quietly goes away. That happens a lot more than the successes.
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You really, really sound STUPID !!!

Stupid enough that yes I believe you are in middle management somewhere.
 
B19 Flyer said:
In more than two decades of aviation, I've only been close to one fatality in the industry and that was directly as a result of union activity.
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The great thing about B19 is that for every argument he makes, he supports it with references and facts. Just like the above quote. Oh, wait a tic....... :)
 
imacdog said:
The great thing about B19 is that for every argument he makes, he supports it with references and facts. Just like the above quote. Oh, wait a tic....... :)
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Yes but you may be missing another fact. B19 doesn't have that much experience in the Aviation business. Most all of us have known someone that has died while in the cockpit of an aircraft.
 
B19

Here is something that you don't understand.

A company should hire the best employee that it can find. Then the company should get out of this person's way and let them do THEIR JOB !!

Instead guys like you get in the way and affectively reduce the amount of work that is going to get finished by this good employee. Thats your fault directly. Not the unions fault.
 
clydefastly said:
I met a senior (800's) NJA pilot today that seemed to share many opinions that B-19 has put here on FI.

Have you NJ guys ever considered that B19 might be one of your own?

Not trying to start a fight, just was an interesting twist I thought about today.
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I have thought about this. I'm fine with it. If this person wants to come talk to the pilots on here we can deal with it. Hopefully he can take the heat that will come his way.
 
rajflyboy said:
No clue where B19 comes from or who the hell he is!!

I do know that he isn't the smartest tool in the shed!
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Does it really matter?

I don't agree with everything he posts, but he does at least think about things before he puts it on the board.

It seems that people like attacking him more than discussing pertinent topics.

The message board are normally very quiet until he post a message.
 
gret said:
Does it really matter?

I don't agree with everything he posts, but he does at least think about things before he puts it on the board.

It seems that people like attacking him more than discussing pertinent topics.

The message board are normally very quiet until he post a message.
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Agreed.

B-19 has been kicking their pompous union loving asses all over this board for quite some time. It has been quite impressive, actually. When you consider it is ONE against 20 to 30 or so regulars.

They have lost their argument with him and the furloughs (just heard from a NetJet pilot another is on the way) prove it. If B-19 continues on his streak, they will be opening the contract and that will be the final stake in their union loving hearts.

How bout them Unions! Surrender your silly argument....B-19 won! Get over it!
 
4 Sevens,

I am sorry. 19 is not correct. He is a misrepresenter of the facts:

19 declared certain things would occur because of the presence of Unions. This is eminently not the case.

Its like the democrats declaring disaster would strike because of George Bush and when Katrina hit saying ... " See we told you!"


Now when a large portion of your customers work in the NY financial industry which gets hit with a financial storm ... will those people let their homes go into foreclosure ... it will they return their Jets to a company that has a return policy similar to the Policy COSTCO has when I return an consumer electronics device?

Many of our passengers have suffered financial loss and therefore returned their planes. When this happens there is less demand for pilots. This is not related in any way shape or form to whether these pilots are union or non-union.

B-19 has never demonstrated how the union has anything to do with the need for reduction in force.
 
7777 said:
Agreed.

B-19 has been kicking their pompous union loving asses all over this board for quite some time. It has been quite impressive, actually. When you consider it is ONE against 20 to 30 or so regulars.

They have lost their argument with him and the furloughs (just heard from a NetJet pilot another is on the way) prove it. If B-19 continues on his streak, they will be opening the contract and that will be the final stake in their union loving hearts.

How bout them Unions! Surrender your silly argument....B-19 won! Get over it!
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Actually B hasn't been correct. He posts factual errors about the NJA contract and will not admit that he was incorrect. His reasoning that the union contract at NJA was responsible for furloughs has been disproven many times. He originally said that NJA would furlough more people in terms of % than the other companys, then later changed his "prediction" to total number of pilots. When I called him out on that, no response. Go figure.
 
7777 said:
Agreed.

B-19 has been kicking their pompous union loving asses all over this board for quite some time. It has been quite impressive, actually. When you consider it is ONE against 20 to 30 or so regulars.

They have lost their argument with him and the furloughs (just heard from a NetJet pilot another is on the way) prove it. If B-19 continues on his streak, they will be opening the contract and that will be the final stake in their union loving hearts.

How bout them Unions! Surrender your silly argument....B-19 won! Get over it!
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So Mr smarty pants. Explain this to me. How is it the pilot unions fault for the wages obtained in the 2005 contract? The COMPANY had to also agree to this. What part of THE COMPANY HAD TO AGREE do you have such a hard time understanding?
 
Key rist

The reason for furloughs was/is the Peter Principle, and managers who are NOT. Many had risen to their level of incompetency...

A lot are gone. Not enough. :beer:

B19 is a vapid little man. Keep feeding his self-importance.
 
LAZYB said:
Key rist

The reason for furloughs was/is the Peter Principle, and managers who are NOT. Many had risen to their level of incompetency...

A lot are gone. Not enough. :beer:

B19 is a vapid little man. Keep feeding his self-importance.
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Explain this "Peter Principle" to me?
 

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