CASS system?

[WDYCITY701]

It is my understanding that all ATA (American Transport Association) member airlines (read majors) and their wholly-owned subsidiaries are to be included on the CASS list. For example American Eagle, ASA, Comair, Piedmont, Allegheny, Chicago Express, and MidAtlantic would be able to jumpseat in the cockpit of any CASS member.

Regionals that aren't wholly-owned such as Mesaba, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Chatauqua etc. aren't able to get the cockpit jumpseat of a CASS member unless they are a subsidiary. For example-->a Mesaba pilot couldn't sit in the cockpit jumpseat on a United flight, but a Comair pilot could.

Kinda weird that all airlines wouldn't included. Hope I helped to clear the air.

 

[Southbound]

The current CASS carriers and those with future access are not 'selected' based on who owns the airline. Each carrier with a 121 operating certificate needs to allow other CASS carriers access to their crew database via a software product (can't recall the name). Only those airlines who are capable of this access are to be a part of CASS, regardless of which holding company owns the airline.
For example, Horizon and Frontier pilots used to enjoy reciprocal use of the cockpit jumpseat as Horizon operates as Frontier JetExpress. This was ended upon the rollout of CASS and until Frontier can fulfill the CASS requirement of crew verification via computer no more F9 cockpit jumpseats for QX pilots and no Horizon cockpit jumpseats for F9 pilots. CASS is not an ATA thing, it is a FAA/TSA type thang....

 

[Reebo]

The current CASS carriers and those with future access are not 'selected' based on who owns the airline. Each carrier with a 121 operating certificate needs to allow other CASS carriers access to their crew database via a software product (can't recall the name). Only those airlines who are capable of this access are to be a part of CASS, regardless of which holding company owns the airline.
For example, Horizon and Frontier pilots used to enjoy reciprocal use of the cockpit jumpseat as Horizon operates as Frontier JetExpress. This was ended upon the rollout of CASS and until Frontier can fulfill the CASS requirement of crew verification via computer no more F9 cockpit jumpseats for QX pilots and no Horizon cockpit jumpseats for F9 pilots. CASS is not an ATA thing, it is a FAA/TSA type thang....

I dont think you are correct. the cass system does not eliminate the current jump seat rules. wholly owned and affiliated carriers can still ride in each others cockpit jump seat if the cabin is full i.e uax in ual jumpseat or us in a usexpress jumpseat. cass allows offline cockpit access i.e ual in aa jumpseat

 

[Southbound]

You are correct, CASS does not eliminate current mainline/express cockpit jumpseat rules. To ride in the cockpit jumpseat of another carrier there needs to be a way of verifying employment and most express/mainline operations have some way of satisfying this. The QX/F9 reciprocal jumpseat agreement was terminated for the moment because there is no way to electronically verify employment at the gate for non-Frontier employees.

I was trying to clarify this statement made by wndycity701

"It is my understanding that all ATA (American Transport Association) member airlines (read majors) and their wholly-owned subsidiaries are to be included on the CASS list. For example American Eagle, ASA, Comair, Piedmont, Allegheny, Chicago Express, and MidAtlantic would be able to jumpseat in the cockpit of any CASS member. "

This is not true. Just because AA and Eagle are part of CASS does not allow for MidAtlantic or Piedmont or any other American Connection pilots access to other CASS airlines cockpits. Each carrier needs to become part of CASS.

Now try to explain this to the next grumpy gate agent between you and a ride home!

 

[Reebo]

i hear ya, u are 100 percent correct