Cargo Gig Advice?

[pilotyip]

Put me down for agreeing with the guys that have been around awhile telling FNGs to stay away.

I always laugh at you guys that get so bent out of shape when someone criticizes this industry, or god forbid, their airline.

This business blows and it's getting worse every year. Stay far away! If I could do it all again, I'd be a plumber and an electrician and start my own company. Guaranteed job security right there with knowing those two trades. Probably could be a millionaire in no time if you bought some trucks and hired some employees.

Aviation blows and part if the reason is the people like you that keep telling everyone how great it is even though you know it blows. BWTFDIK

But you know what, after 3 jobs in five years after leaving the Navy, I got out of this business for 6 years. I ran my own business, but I missed airplanes and pilots so I got back in at the very bottom. I have had a ball and would change little, if you fly because you like to, what a way to make a living.

 

[Captain Morgan]

I guess you don't fly cause you like to

I agree with PilotYIP, what's holding you back? We don't need people like you that are drains on the people in this industry. Times are tough most anywhere these days. Can you imagine being a teacher showing up for work to teach bratty spoiled kids only to find the government is taking more pay away from your already pathetic wages. The golden era of flying is over or never exactly was. Do you know how many times I look fondly on being a kid again? Would I go back, he'll no! It's only because it's in the past that you think it was better. I always laugh underneath at these guys that bought into the starry eyed pilotmill advertisements only to hate life now. I ask them why they dont get out and they tell me they can't make the same money anywhere else, then I laugh inside because they don't realize what they just said.

 

[pilotyip]

Can you imagine being a teacher showing up for work to teach bratty spoiled kids only to find the government is taking more pay away from your already pathetic wages.

My sister and her husband are school teachers in Michigan family income in excess of $160K per year, live in a $400K house, buy new cars every year. School teachers can make a good living. The movie "Waiting for Superman" real grabber, you see parents who want their kids to succeed, you see kids who know they need an education, but they are trapped in a failing school system. You feel so sorry for these kids. But the teachers union will not allow anything to be done to these failing teachers. The NEA/NFT will use their power to get rid of anyone who tries to improve on the system. When you see these motivated kids not get a lottery number to get into a high performance charter school, it is like seeing them get a death sentence. No wonder the US is a failing society. BTW Because of what I saw in the Ann Arbor, MI school system, it matched this movie in the low-income section where I lived, I put my son into the Catholic school system. 99% of his classmate went on to college.

 

[Captain Morgan]

My sister and her husband are school teachers in Michigan family income in excess of $160K per year, live in a $400K house, buy new cars every year. School teachers can make a good living. The movie "Waiting for Superman" real grabber, you see parents who want their kids to succeed, you see kids who know they need an education, but they are trapped in a failing school system. You feel so sorry for these kids. But the teachers union will not allow anything to be done to these failing teachers. The NEA/NFT will use their power to get rid of anyone who tries to improve on the system. When you see these motivated kids not get a lottery number to get into a high performance charter school, it is like seeing them get a death sentence. No wonder the US is a failing society. BTW Because of what I saw in the Ann Arbor, MI school system, it matched this movie in the low-income section where I lived, I put my son into the Catholic school system. 99% of his classmate went on to college.

I saw the preview for that movie, looked interesting. I know I am going to do anything within my power to put my kids in private.school even if that means I have to drive my old beat up Subaru into the ground. I didn't even guess that MI teachers made that! The small town I grew up and went to school in, the teachers made maybe 25-30k their first year.

 

[Redmeat]

We don't need people like you that are drains on the people in this industry.

I see that you're an FO on the EMB145. Do you know what the word ironical means?

The small town I grew up and went to school in, the teachers made maybe 25-30k their first year.

It shows glaringly in your writing...

 

[staledog]

Put me down for agreeing with the guys that have been around awhile telling FNGs to stay away.

I always laugh at you guys that get so bent out of shape when someone criticizes this industry, or god forbid, their airline.

This business blows and it's getting worse every year. Stay far away! If I could do it all again, I'd be a plumber and an electrician and start my own company. Guaranteed job security right there with knowing those two trades. Probably could be a millionaire in no time if you bought some trucks and hired some employees.

Aviation blows and part if the reason is the people like you that keep telling everyone how great it is even though you know it blows. BWTFDIK

Well, I for one am not bent out of shape that you hate my industry, I just think it sucks that you and Redmeat are involved in it when you hate it so much.

A plumber or electrician, really? Of course I know the world needs those people and I respect what they do...and they MAY have job security, but have you ever noticed how much a job like that can also suck? It really is hard labor. Ever seen a plumber with his whole arm stuck down a sewage pipe or get blasted with a facefull of putrid sludge? Well that's what they do every day. And as far as the job security, I'm sure it's not as great as you think (nothing really is secure these days). You think none of those guys ever got laid off from the places they work for? Starting your own business with trucks and the whole bit sounds great but how many plumbers or electricians have the means to do that? Why don't they all do that? Because it's easier said than done, that's why. Anywhere you try to start up a business there's already going to be plenty of competition in place with years of experience and a customer base, yadda yadda.

Aviation is great, as far as I'm concerned. I love what I do. And yes, I've been laid off with a wife and kids and bills to pay and all that. This isn't some 20 year old single kid talking.

Pilotyip gets it. I get it. I hope you do too someday.

"If you love what do you, you'll never have to work a day in your life."

Words to live by.

 

[staledog]

I see that you're an FO on the EMB145. Do you know what the word ironical means?



It shows glaringly in your writing...

I think you missed your calling as an English teacher..

Maybe it's not too late.

 

[say again]

If I could do it all again, I'd be a plumber and an electrician and start my own company. Guaranteed job security right there with knowing those two trades. Probably could be a millionaire in no time if you bought some trucks and hired some employees.

So what is stopping you from starting??? Go to school, get your license and become a millionaire. :beer:

 

[pilotyip]

Pilotyip gets it. I get it. I hope you do too someday.

"If you love what do you, you'll never have to work a day in your life."

Words to live by.

"cool"

 

[say again]

A plumber or electrician, really? Of course I know the world needs those people and I respect what they do...and they MAY have job security, but have you ever noticed how much a job like that can also suck? It really is hard labor. Ever seen a plumber with his whole arm stuck down a sewage pipe or get blasted with a facefull of putrid sludge? Well that's what they do every day. And as far as the job security, I'm sure it's not as great as you think (nothing really is secure these days). You think none of those guys ever got laid off from the places they work for? Starting your own business with trucks and the whole bit sounds great but how many plumbers or electricians have the means to do that? Why don't they all do that? Because it's easier said than done, that's why. Anywhere you try to start up a business there's already going to be plenty of competition in place with years of experience and a customer base, yadda yadda.

100% correct. In my previous 3 year layoff, I got involved in the construction/electrician world. Job security? Certainly not. Many jobs we've gotten were 1-2 days, with an occasional 2 week job thrown in. Jobs are not as plenty as one would like to think. Research how many companies have gone out of business (of all home-improvement fields, it' astonishing). Fierce competition drove the profits down for all jobs, many would work just to work with very little profit. I've heard of contractors taking jobs that paid enough to keep their workers employed. Not as green as it seems.

 

[pilotyip]

Fierce competition drove the profits down for all jobs, many would work just to work with very little profit.

How is that different than the airlines?

 

[tubineotter]

i think everyone would agree flying an airplane is a kick ass job to have, but unfortunately if your not your own boss your going to have to put up with somebody else's agenda and that can suck. some people use humor to defuse tension some people use anger. just two different ways to swallow th same lemon. I know of nothing else id rather be doing, but i would sure like to be my own boss. Have cake and eat it to!

"Mr. Towns, you behave as if stupidity were a virtue. Why is that? "

 

[$$$4nothin]

a little advice

Do yourself and your family a big favor. Get on amazon.com/ebay/. Buy every Dave Ramsey book that you can find. Start with. The total money make over. Read them. Live your life by the principles he talks about in his books. Then you will enjoy any flying job you have, and you will not worry about furlough constantly. This is what I have found anyway.

 

[staledog]

Somewhere there is a guy on a plumbing forum, talking about how much his job sucks and he should have been a pilot!!

 

[Bob Dylan]

It really is hard labor. "

Oh boo hoo.

Aviation sucks and I certainly don't need nor did I ask advice from you, bonehead.