Cargo Gig Advice?

[staledog]

Put me down for agreeing with the guys that have been around awhile telling FNGs to stay away.

I always laugh at you guys that get so bent out of shape when someone criticizes this industry, or god forbid, their airline.

This business blows and it's getting worse every year. Stay far away! If I could do it all again, I'd be a plumber and an electrician and start my own company. Guaranteed job security right there with knowing those two trades. Probably could be a millionaire in no time if you bought some trucks and hired some employees.

Aviation blows and part if the reason is the people like you that keep telling everyone how great it is even though you know it blows. BWTFDIK

Well, I for one am not bent out of shape that you hate my industry, I just think it sucks that you and Redmeat are involved in it when you hate it so much.

A plumber or electrician, really? Of course I know the world needs those people and I respect what they do...and they MAY have job security, but have you ever noticed how much a job like that can also suck? It really is hard labor. Ever seen a plumber with his whole arm stuck down a sewage pipe or get blasted with a facefull of putrid sludge? Well that's what they do every day. And as far as the job security, I'm sure it's not as great as you think (nothing really is secure these days). You think none of those guys ever got laid off from the places they work for? Starting your own business with trucks and the whole bit sounds great but how many plumbers or electricians have the means to do that? Why don't they all do that? Because it's easier said than done, that's why. Anywhere you try to start up a business there's already going to be plenty of competition in place with years of experience and a customer base, yadda yadda.

Aviation is great, as far as I'm concerned. I love what I do. And yes, I've been laid off with a wife and kids and bills to pay and all that. This isn't some 20 year old single kid talking.

Pilotyip gets it. I get it. I hope you do too someday.

"If you love what do you, you'll never have to work a day in your life."

Words to live by.

 

[staledog]

I see that you're an FO on the EMB145. Do you know what the word ironical means?



It shows glaringly in your writing...

I think you missed your calling as an English teacher..

Maybe it's not too late.

 

[say again]

If I could do it all again, I'd be a plumber and an electrician and start my own company. Guaranteed job security right there with knowing those two trades. Probably could be a millionaire in no time if you bought some trucks and hired some employees.

So what is stopping you from starting??? Go to school, get your license and become a millionaire. :beer:

 

[pilotyip]

Pilotyip gets it. I get it. I hope you do too someday.

"If you love what do you, you'll never have to work a day in your life."

Words to live by.

"cool"

 

[say again]

A plumber or electrician, really? Of course I know the world needs those people and I respect what they do...and they MAY have job security, but have you ever noticed how much a job like that can also suck? It really is hard labor. Ever seen a plumber with his whole arm stuck down a sewage pipe or get blasted with a facefull of putrid sludge? Well that's what they do every day. And as far as the job security, I'm sure it's not as great as you think (nothing really is secure these days). You think none of those guys ever got laid off from the places they work for? Starting your own business with trucks and the whole bit sounds great but how many plumbers or electricians have the means to do that? Why don't they all do that? Because it's easier said than done, that's why. Anywhere you try to start up a business there's already going to be plenty of competition in place with years of experience and a customer base, yadda yadda.

100% correct. In my previous 3 year layoff, I got involved in the construction/electrician world. Job security? Certainly not. Many jobs we've gotten were 1-2 days, with an occasional 2 week job thrown in. Jobs are not as plenty as one would like to think. Research how many companies have gone out of business (of all home-improvement fields, it' astonishing). Fierce competition drove the profits down for all jobs, many would work just to work with very little profit. I've heard of contractors taking jobs that paid enough to keep their workers employed. Not as green as it seems.

 

[pilotyip]

Fierce competition drove the profits down for all jobs, many would work just to work with very little profit.

How is that different than the airlines?

 

[tubineotter]

i think everyone would agree flying an airplane is a kick ass job to have, but unfortunately if your not your own boss your going to have to put up with somebody else's agenda and that can suck. some people use humor to defuse tension some people use anger. just two different ways to swallow th same lemon. I know of nothing else id rather be doing, but i would sure like to be my own boss. Have cake and eat it to!

"Mr. Towns, you behave as if stupidity were a virtue. Why is that? "

 

[$$$4nothin]

a little advice

Do yourself and your family a big favor. Get on amazon.com/ebay/. Buy every Dave Ramsey book that you can find. Start with. The total money make over. Read them. Live your life by the principles he talks about in his books. Then you will enjoy any flying job you have, and you will not worry about furlough constantly. This is what I have found anyway.

 

[staledog]

Somewhere there is a guy on a plumbing forum, talking about how much his job sucks and he should have been a pilot!!

 

[Bob Dylan]

It really is hard labor. "

Oh boo hoo.

Aviation sucks and I certainly don't need nor did I ask advice from you, bonehead.

 

[staledog]

Oh boo hoo.

Aviation sucks and I certainly don't need nor did I ask advice from you, bonehead.

Go be a plumber then. As soon as you make your first million, please come back and tell us all about it.

 

[dash8driver]

I know I'm a little late here but I'd like to talk about this dentist comparison.

A Dentist sleeps at home with his wife...

Was this supposed to be a positive or a negative about being a dentist?

One thing that both dentists and pilots have in common. If you're not careful and wearing protection while you're drilling, you could get AIDS.

That is all... resume your bickering.

 

[crxpilot]

Do yourself and your family a big favor. Get on amazon.com/ebay/. Buy every Dave Ramsey book that you can find. Start with. The total money make over. Read them. Live your life by the principles he talks about in his books. Then you will enjoy any flying job you have, and you will not worry about furlough constantly. This is what I have found anyway.

Dave Ramsey is a tool. Save more, spend less. I just saved you $19.95 times each book.

You're welcome.

 

[staledog]

I know I'm a little late here but I'd like to talk about this dentist comparison.



Was this supposed to be a positive or a negative about being a dentist?

One thing that both dentists and pilots have in common. If you're not careful and wearing protection while you're drilling, you could get AIDS.

That is all... resume your bickering.

Why did the pilot put a condom on his antenna?



So he wouldn't get NAVAIDS

 

[say again]

Why did the pilot put a condom on his antenna?



So he wouldn't get NAVAIDS

Good job!! :laugh: :beer:

 

[Redmeat]

Was this supposed to be a positive or a negative about being a dentist?

Depends on whether you picked one of the good ones or not.

I did.

 

[landlover]

2 cousins are electricians and 1 brother is a plumber, all 3 are hitting the unemployment line now. both cousins have considered becoming a pilot for better job stability.

 

[staledog]

The whole plumber vs. pilot debate is fun and all but let's get back to what the original poster was asking about (how to get into cargo).

I hear pilotyip works for a good outfit, and I think they may still be hiring. One of my friends just got a job there. Try sending him a PM.

 

[Bob Dylan]

2 cousins are electricians and 1 brother is a plumber, all 3 are hitting the unemployment line now. both cousins have considered becoming a pilot for better job stability.

That's funny. My brother in law is a plumber and has never been busier. In fact, he's hired 10 employees this year. The fact is, the baby boomers are aging and staying in their older homes now, rather than buying a new second/retirement home in Florida or someplace. The handyman/plumber/electrician business is booming.

Another factor driving the healthy business in the 'trades' is that for 20 years people have been brainwashed to go to college rather than learning a skill. Very few people have the skills to be a plumber or an electrician.

The opposite is true for aviation. Stagnant, no growth, age 65, and too many boneheads (like the people in this thread) willing to do this job for next to nothing because they think it's fun. Lots of rich daddies paid for their loser kids to go to ERAU or somewhere when these underachievers should have learned a trade.

I think your cousins and brother are probably lazy and don't want to work. Plenty of work out there for guys that want it. Lazy ones can go stand in the unemployment line.

 

[pilotyip]

Another factor driving the healthy business in the 'trades' is that for 20 years people have been brainwashed to go to college rather than learning a skill. Very few people have the skills to be a plumber or an electrician.

BINGO give that man a cigar, the only reason to go to college is to learn something that leads to a job that will pay you a lot. I think many middle class parents feel themselves a failure if their child pursues learning a trade, and would much rather have them get a degree in French History. We are training less engineers than we did in the 60's, even thought college enrollment is up 400%, however have had 1000% increase in communications majors. Students go to college by the 1000’s but graduate with no marketable skills. BTW My brother-in law, owns a Muffler Shop, (non-college graduate) lives in a neighborhood with Doctors, Lawyers. In addition, other professionals because he makes over $200K per year. Sends his kids to private schools, lots of vacations, etc. You fly airplanes because you like to fly airplanes, if you want to make money go to a trade school out of high school and run a muffler shop.