capt is late wants to skip checklist wwyd

[Irish Pilot]

I would absolutely insist as well.

If you are in an airplane with a pilot who for whatever reason doesnt seem to want to do things the right way be proud to be the guy to slow things down to make sure they get done the right way....thats what you are trained and paid to do.

Besides....even if the captain gets pissed what is he going to do? Even if he does get pissed odds are he is going to realize later that he was being foolish and will respect you for being upfront and steady. Ive never truly respected an FO or Captain that I have flown with that was a pushover (Im not talking about the non-confrontational guys...just the guys who are so unsure of themselves or whats going on that they will go with whatever you say.) I always try to look at it like a 2 pilot crew, not a captain and an FO. Odds are you both deserve to be there so work as a team not as two differently ranked crew members.

There are times when we have opportunities to step forward and make the change in the right direction or to go along with the flow for whatever reason. That defines the difference between being a leader and a follower.

I guess the point here is take pride in your job. Seems like thats almost all we have left these days.

Ill get off the box now lol.

 

[LearLove]

All the FO's have to say is "Hey Captain, I just feel more comfortable running the checklist if that is cool with you" I don't know one captain that would refuse.
All you FO's that want to start a pissing match with your boss aka the captain.....You will lose everytime. You might win a few battles, but you will definatley lose the war.

Apparently you've never been an Allegheny FO based in ABE. After you make this statement, "Hey Captain, I just feel more comfortable running the checklist if that is cool with you", the checklist physically gets thrown out of the cockpit. I hear the ALPA charm school uses this as an example.

in all seriousness I think Skiddriver has the best "interview" response.

Alittle off the subject but what do you guys think of this:

i rent a 152 several times per month. After a regular preflight, I hop in an start it up but use the checklist printed in the right door frame. It works for me but should I use the one we all used as students?

 

[say again]

Read it to yourself and check that everything is done!!!If the CA doesn't want to do it, he won't, so do it yourself. Good practice? Definately not, but it gets the job done.

One way or another it should be done!!!!

 

[RocketDog]

Another time with an experienced FO he had done almost everything and we had flown together before and so shortened things a bit. Reality dictates what you would feel comfortable with.

As far as what they would want in a interview? Probably that you would want to do the whole thing. What would you do on line? Maybe not a good idea to say...

I've got to say that I too am considered by some to be "crusty". However, I would never consider "shortening things a bit". From my viewpoint, you're setting yourself up for a fall when you take this course of inaction. If you're in the courtroom already and trying to defend your actions, you'll hang for sure. If you're out on the line, you've now interrupted the normal order and flow of events in the flight deck, and are bound to feel the repercussions sometime down the road. Not to mention the fact that it's an unprofessional way to manage the flight deck (my opinion only). Our employers pay us to perform very specific tasks at very specific times and we are expected to adhere to these procedures, no matter what time the clock says it is.

 

[dhc8fo]

Have this issue many many times where I work....shall not say where (although it isn't THAT tough to narrow it down).

I do one of a few things. If I am on the plane waiting for the CA, I do the originating checklist myself since I know the CA will be rushed.

If we show up at the plane together, I just start into it when we are settled if the CA hasn't asked for it or says to skip it. They usually just go with it.

At the very least, I do it silently myself in those few situations where the CA is a total absolute turd and doesn't want to comply.

Cover YOUR ass. Who cares if the CA doesn't want it. It is a requirement, so do it. Most of the time these guys don't become your best buddies anyway. Also, when you are in a more normal circumstance, they will probably respect you or trust you more as an FO since you hold your own. And keep in mind that if it ever boiled down to you and the CA sitting in front of the chief pilot or whoever, who is in the wrong???

 

[Illinois]

What's a "Checklist?"


Good advice in the previous post's whether it's an interview or revenue flight. The two minutes you save then will cost you down the road!