capt is late wants to skip checklist wwyd

[fulcrum]

capt is running late and wants to skip the checklist WWYD ?

just looking for some intelligent responses to this question some airlines are asking
thanks
fulcrum

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Insist on doing the checklist! Should anything happen then there is at least a record of it on the CVR. There is no excuse for skipping the checklist. They say that there are 7 factors leading up to an incident / accident, the Captain being late and not running the checklist could well be at least the first 2.

 

[CF34-3B1]

Insist on doing the checklist! Should anything happen then there is at least a record of it on the CVR. There is no excuse for skipping the checklist. They say that there are 7 factors leading up to an incident / accident, the Captain being late and not running the checklist could well be at least the first 2.

Absolutely.

An NTSB study found something like 60% of all airline accident flights were running late.

It's never worth rushing.

Do it right the first time, even if it takes longer.

 

[B36]

i had this happen to me recently and when I insisted and he refused, I just read it aloud with me doing both the challenge and response. That way it was covered and recorded (don't want to embarrass the family if I am killed!) and embarrassed the hell out of the captain. what's he going to do, go tell the chief pilot I didn't follow his orders??? he was a bit mad though!!

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Interesting thing about airplanes certified for a two-pilot crew.

They need two pilots to fly them.

If one pilot gets up, takes his (or her) flight bag, and walks up the jetway -- the airplane becomes a building with wheels.

Usually about the time you pull your bag out of the well and say, "I'll call scheduling to get you a new F/O" the Captain realizes the error in his or her ways.

 

[Tarzan]

But what about stirring the pot. Isn't that looked down at interviews? Don't they want to hear that you will tactfully solve it?

 

[FlamingFUPA]

^^^^^^^^

yeah becuase that sets up a even better cockpit environment now that you have shown the capt how big your pen0r is

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

How long does it take to do a checklist? If your late you're late... just do it.

Unless of course its the go home leg... Just kidding!

 

[flatspin7]

You don't have to play War with a Capt who doesnt want to run a check list... If he is worried about getting a late out time there is nothing in our book (XJT) that says you have to run the check list before you block out.

I had a few guys rushed and once they get their out time (read getting paid) 99.9% of guys will take the time to do things right. Money is a great motivator. If not (they call for the through stop vs. the full receiving check list) I just run the whole thing.

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

i had this happen to me recently and when I insisted and he refused, I just read it aloud with me doing both the challenge and response.

Did the same thing a few weeks ago. Capt wanted to skip the originating checklist (takes a mere 15 seconds to complete!!) and go straight to the before start, so I just start reading the originating. He did respond to it, and after we were all finished, I think he realized how dumb it was to make such a fuss over it. It took more time to argue over doing the checklist than it took to just read it.

 

[ATTCS]

I'm told I come under the catagory of an 'old crusty captain'. I've run late, had a newhire FO, and we ran the entire checklist. Only takes a few seconds and we both had the mental attitude that everything was accomplished albeit a bit rushed. I looked at it with the attitude that she had just finished training and was not entirely comfortable with the aircraft and procedures. Just made things easier. She had done a lot before I got there and briefed me as I was building my nest. As she was briefing me I did my flow & then into the checklists. First time we had met and it told me volumes about her abilities so I adjusted to that. For a newhire with her experience she had done a great job. Another time with an experienced FO he had done almost everything and we had flown together before and so shortened things a bit. Reality dictates what you would feel comfortable with.

As far as what they would want in a interview? Probably that you would want to do the whole thing. What would you do on line? Maybe not a good idea to say...

 

[skiddriver]

The answer to any of the "WWYD if the Capt wants to break preflight rules" questions is:

1) Politely remind the Capt of the requirement.
2) Politely insist that you won't proceed with the flight unless the requirement is met (checklist followed, CVR circuit breaker in, bottle to throttle rule followed).
3) Depart the aircraft and call pro standards if necessary, after informing the dispatcher that the flight is delayed.

In flight issues require a little more finesse, because you aren't going to strap on the chute just because the Capt won't run the checklist.

1) Politely remind the Capt of the requirement.
2) Ensure the requirement is met to the best of your ability without endangering the flight (i.e. run both sides of the checklist time permitting).
3) Ensure the remainder of the flight is conducted as safely as possible.
3) Upon arrival, call pro standards if necessary.

These type questions are really a way for the interviewer to ascertain if you have the strength of character to respectfully challenge a bad command decision, and to ensure that you will take appropriate action to follow company policy and act as a barrier to an accident. Your answer should make plain that you will respect the Capt's position, while ensuring passenger and crew safety. You need to communicate that you won't begin a flight until the matter is properly resolved, and if the flight is in progress, that you will take appropriate action to ensure that it ends safely. Stress your adherence to company policy, and your use of good CRM procedures to resolve conflict.

 

[WateryGrave]

??????

Whats a checklist?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

capt is running late and wants to skip the checklist WWYD ?

just looking for some intelligent responses to this question some airlines are asking
thanks
fulcrum

That's an easy question! RUN THE CHECKLIST!

Be very VERY direct with your answers! K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Stupid

Example: Do you have a watch?

Answer: YES (don't give the time, he/she didn't ask for it)

Good Luck!

 

[Simon Says]

You guys are way too anal. If the Captain doesn't want to run the checklist and the FO does........All the FO's have to say is "Hey Captain, I just feel more comfortable running the checklist if that is cool with you" I don't know one captain that would refuse.

All you FO's that want to start a pissing match with your boss aka the captain.....You will lose everytime. You might win a few battles, but you will definatley lose the war.