Capitol question

[nitefr8dog]

Factual????? That ATI pilots are willing to take less??? Sounds like you need to get your facts straight... IMHO

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[727Niteflyer]

1 abx guy

 

[nitefr8dog]

1 abx guy

Just what the 1224 message board said. Some of the guys who had been contacted planned on going. Maybe after they saw the new contract numbers they decided unemployment looked better?

 

[727Niteflyer]

From my understanding they all turned down the interview

 

[b707guy]

In talking with some of the Cappy guys in the hub, it seems Cappy has a training contract with some dollar signs attached. This is not addressed in the 1224 side letter. So I guess there's an unanswered question if everyone's mind as to whether it should apply in this case. I wouldn't blame anyone for not taking a job when a training contract is involved, if that is in fact what's behind the lack of takers from ABX. So, Agreenfo, you may very well have a shot at a job with Cappy, since it seems they will in fact be hiring off the street! Meanwhile, everyone displaced from ABX that I've met and flown with here at ATI seems to be quite happy and great to work with.

 

[AgreenFO]

I hope that is the case. Still no call

 

[airspeedsalive]

Same here.

 

[Box-Hauler]

I believe that the lack of ABX takers was due to the lack of pay at CCI. That was my reason for not sending in a resume, along with a lot of other unknowns about training contract, vacation accrual......... but mostly the pay.....

As a side not I would happily take a recall to ATI, love the 8, bet it is even better with the -70.........


Good luck to those who get a call for Cappi.

 

[727Niteflyer]

lots of abx guys excepted the job or interview until they found out cappy wasnt honoring any deals supposedly signed between teamsters and atsg. teamsters told everyone not to take the job or interview until they sort the mess out. We hired 19 people in this class, 1 abx pilot needed a job bad. rest are a mix.

 

[nitefr8dog]

lots of abx guys excepted the job or interview until they found out cappy wasnt honoring any deals supposedly signed between teamsters and atsg. teamsters told everyone not to take the job or interview until they sort the mess out. We hired 19 people in this class, 1 abx pilot needed a job bad. rest are a mix.

Teamsters 1224 has not advised anyone NOT to take the class. Capitol just like ATI have little choice in honoring the side letter with ATSG. ATSG has been paying the difference for the pilots that went to ATI. Would be difficult to side step the agreement at Capitol with the precedence set. Again Teamsters has not been advising any of the furloughed pilots against hiring at Capitol other than it is a crummy place to work pay and working rules wise.

 

[727Niteflyer]

thats not what the guys who turned down the interview said

 

[nitefr8dog]

thats not what the guys who turned down the interview said

He lied, 1224 has not advised anyone to turn down work.

 

[l8fr82hub]

Capitol just like ATI have little choice in honoring the side letter with ATSG.

Yes, ATI and Capital contracts are completely overruled by ABX's side letter (repeat 10 times)

 

[laserman2431]

Yes, ATI and Capital contracts are completely overruled by ABX's side letter (repeat 10 times)

I might be missing something. How does the ABX agreement effect the Capital CBA? Does the Capital pilot's CBA have anything to do with who gets hired?

 

[dsee8driver]

Yes, ATI and Capital contracts are completely overruled by ABX's side letter (repeat 10 times)

These are the kind of statements that drive us crazy. Capi has a training contract on their CBA. Whether it applies to ABX or not will be for a court to decide. The contract is for all new employees an ABX guy while not a new ATSG employee is still a newhire for ATI and Capi. ATI does not have a training contract. All our CBA rules and conditions STILL apply to the ABX dude. He gets what a new hire gets for pay and vacation while ATSG makes up for the rest of whatever he is entitled to according to his years of service.
The only thing the letter says is that we have to recall the ABX folks before hiring of the street. They must stay at ATI for a minimum of 2 years.

 

[727Niteflyer]

cappy has no intention of hiring anyone that is going to be paid more than another pilot already here.

 

[Box-Hauler]

cappy has no intention of hiring anyone that is going to be paid more than another pilot already here.

Isn't the VP/DO an Ex-ABX chief Pilot. If so why would he go against his boss JH, and not hire ABX pilots.

Besides CCI intentions have no bearing on if an ABX pilot gets a job. They fall under the ATSG umbrella, and as such Uncle Joe (the big boss) signed an agreement with ABX. The agreement said if any ATSG company hires anyone they must offer it to an ABX furloughed pilot before it goes to "off the street" pilots.

Also a recalled ABX guy that goes to CCI would not make "more" than someone already there they would make the same amount of pay as someone at CCI based on years of service to Uncle Joe. So most ABX guys would make around the 8 to 12 year pay scale, depending on years of service to ATSG.

 

[Vegas_727God]

So why did the one guy that came to capitol cargo resign his number at ABX? It has been said that on the local 1224 board he's being called a, dare I say it, "scab". So why did he do that?

Looks like the ATSG/ABX "recall" letter wasn't near as bullet proof as once thought. Poor ATI, you guys have a ton of those guys by now. If I were a regular ATI line pilot I would sure be mad knowing those new ABX pilots are getting an extra check from ATSG.

 

[727Niteflyer]

wow that was actually sort of well said, it does sum up the situation though. according to JH he never signed anything close to what 1224 is saying. maybe something on 1224 side of the house has been overexagerated

 

[LarryinTN]

It has been said that on the local 1224 board he's being called a, dare I say it, "scab".

There hasn't been any discussion about anyone excepting the CCI recall on the 1224 board.