Can one of the B6 drivers explain this to me?

[G4G5]

"Due to WEATHER SNOW (JET BLUE/JBU FLIGHTS ONLY), there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving John F Kennedy International Airport, New York, NY (JFK). To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination".

This is right off the ATCSSCC web site:
http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp

 

[Mercy98]

Apparently we've had so many airplanes on the field at jfk today...at all of the gates and out on the ramps with inbound passengers...that they had enough of the static display. The weather conditions allowed arrivals but prohibited departures so the bottleneck increased over time. ATC wanted to relieve the congestion before allowing the schedule to recover.

 

[elag777]

what is there to explain?

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

So amazingly, instead of cancelling everything like some other airlines, this one was flying-- wow, what a concept!!! (There still were over 70 cancelled flights).

 

[Longhorn]

I think we were one of maybe a dozen flights that made it out of BOS today...glad to not be stuck at the airport anymore.

 

[nimtz]

So amazingly, instead of cancelling everything like some other airlines, this one was flying-- wow, what a concept!!! (There still were over 70 cancelled flights).

And guess who's getting assaulted by the press for getting people stuck 9 hours on the tarmac? WHAT A CONCEPT!

 

[AKAAB]

The ground stop was initiated by JetBlue - not the FAA.

In fact, Clearance Delivery in PBI kept telling us there was no ground stop long after the company sent a message saying there was a JB internal GS and that we may not depart (bound for JFK) per leadership. It took some time to go from JB to the FAA command center, I guess. This was probably the smartest move they made all day or we would have had thirty planes on WABC.

Does anyone know what's happening with the Varig Cargo hangar? Could that be used as an emergency deplaning station? Can we at least put some tire chains on a lav truck?

 

[G4G5]

The ground stop was initiated by JetBlue - not the FAA.

In fact, Clearance Delivery in PBI kept telling us there was no ground stop long after the company sent a message saying there was a JB internal GS and that we may not depart (bound for JFK) per leadership. It took some time to go from JB to the FAA command center, I guess. This was probably the smartest move they made all day or we would have had thirty planes on WABC.

Does anyone know what's happening with the Varig Cargo hangar? Could that be used as an emergency deplaning station? Can we at least put some tire chains on a lav truck?

Thanks. An internal company initated GS makes sense.

I was curious because I had never seen the FAA single out one particular carrier for a GS. In fact, I would have thought that it was illegal to stop one carrier from flying to a particular airport.

I thought that maybe it had something to do with the JFK slot program and the outbound European departures. I was curious to see if you guys had a clause in your slots that allowed them to do this.

Thanks for the input, sorry about the bad press.

 

[G4G5]

So amazingly, instead of cancelling everything like some other airlines, this one was flying-- wow, what a concept!!! (There still were over 70 cancelled flights).

There is a reason why they cancel.

Do you have any idea how much Type 1/2 fluid costs per gallon? What about Type IV? I know that when I flew 121 I didn't.

Approx $12 a gallon for type 1/2 and $20 for type IV. It takes around 2000 of type 1/2 to get the ice off of an A320. Then add the type 4 if necessary. You do the math.

I would venture to say that B6 didn't make a dime yesterday, in fact they lost money and you will hear about this again when the 1Q07 reports come out.

 

[instructordude]

Unbeliavable.

 

[G4G5]

Neelman was on Thursday's CNBC with the "stock slut" Maria. He was trying to do some damage control. The thing that became very clear is that mgt did a piss poor job. DN, was quoted a saying that, "this storm cost the airline millions".

Mgt can be held directly accountable for the bad customer blood and the MILLIONS lost dues to not canceling flight, when the other airlines were. IMHO, the employees did a great job, given what they had to work with but DM and his crew really dropped the ball.

The thought of stranding thousands while only canceling 270 flights on Wed, to then have to cx 305 flights on Sat (of the approx 1,200) just to get the airline back in sink is absurd.

The flack that mgt gets is completely deserved as is the bad press (like Dave Letterman's top 10 list). If AMR or DAL were to cancel 25% of their flights on a VFR day, people would be screaming bloody murder (and rightfully so).

Did anyone look at the WX in PHL? USAir and SWA seem to have come out of this storm unscathed. Airline mgt 101 canceling in bad WX is a good idea. You re-book and load factors go from 85% to 100%. De-icing fluid kills the yield on any flight. People understand not flying in a snow/ice storm. Canceling flight to reposition aircraft is absurd. The airline saves money (vs losing millions).

I give credit to the employees, I would never in a million years want to be the pilot on the ramp at JFK for 10+ hours or the gate agent on the receiving line of the wrath of all of those stranded folks. I just hope that mgt appreciates the employees cover for their F ups.

Again, IMHO, I hope that DM and his crew learned something valuable from their multi million dollar bad PR loss. This is exactly the type of thing kills moral and will someday force Congress to institute laws that none of want to deal with.

If I was on the BOD, I would want someones head on a plate. This will no doubt take a would be profitable Quater and turn it into a multi million dollar loss. On top of the bad PR.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lijet0218,0,3120577.story?coll=ny-main-bigpix

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Thank God Britney Spears shaved her head; now the media can move on!!!

 

[JAM-BRO]

My brother's in-laws flight on JB was cancelled and they refunded their ticket plus gave them 2 vouchers for future flight. The refund was enough to get them out the next day on Delta. Ouch!!!

 

[G4G5]

Thank God Britney Spears shaved her head; now the media can move on!!!

I am sure Nowak felt the same way after Anna Nicole

 

[LearLove]

I am sure Nowak felt the same way after Anna Nicole

just like the sharks in FL and the east coast got off easy the summer of 2001 after 9/11. what about that congress guy/senator that killed the jogger chick from CA in DC - he got off easy that summer too.

 

[kassel737]

Thank God Britney Spears shaved her head; now the media can move on!!!

It is hard to move on when how many days after the snow storm Jet Blue still does not have the sh-t together. I would venture to say CAL operated at amost a hundred percent today.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Great press lately enjoyed it