Can I do anything with 250 TT?

[RJP]

Bingo! I agree. Fly because you love it, not because it is a job.

Great advice! Here's one for ya. Work at Taco Bell because you love the free chalupas....not because it's a job.

You're a tool.

 

[ferlo]

Bingo! I agree. Fly because you love it, not because it is a job.

Man alive,

If you stay in this career, one day, you will not believe you ever felt like saying something so stupid. You are not alone, everybody probably felt like this at one point but let me assure you, unless you are independently wealthy, and can do whatever you want in life, you will not feel this way when you get a couple of thousand hours. This job is highly specialized, and requires unreal amounts of responsibility and professionalism. That shoulnd't come cheap, certainly not for free. It's about $$$$, everybody else will make it on your back and skill, why not you?

 

[Hadhafang]

Well, I hope I NEVER become like you guys. How miserable you must be. I love flying and yes I will get paid for it. I'm not an idiot so stop talking down to me. I never said "Fly for free." I'd take flying, complete with emergencies and all, over a desk job any day.

And how is the original poster's "I don't care if I get paid" statement any different than a CFI groveling at the feet of an airline hoping for an interview. Then, if they do get the job, they just accept the pay and start complaining because they are on reserve. If you are unhappy in the airlines, find another part of aviation or get out of it all together. There are a 1000 other people who will gladly take your job. That's business.

Stop trying to dampen the spirits of the people who really like to fly (no matter what type of flying it is). It isn't benefiting anyone and it is only hurting aviation.

 

[VSUPilot]

Hadhafang,
It's guys like you and your buddy aland that are the reason that that all the PFT schools are doing so well. Hopefully your flying is not representative of the amount of money that you obviously feel that you are worth. "That's Business," come on, you sound like a guy begging for a chance to cross a picket line and steal the food off of someone else's table.

 

[John2375]

You mo-fo's are just too much. What's wrong w/this industry is NOT the lowpay, it's the attitude of the people who've "made it" being so unwilling to help the guys starting out.
"Just go and be a CFI and fly traffic watch in the morning and afternoon" You make it sound so easy! I've done a million searches and have yet to find any traffic watch job, and besides most of the ones I see when I drive around are done in helicopters, not airplanes.
All you guys were once at 250 hours and willing to do anything to fly - you weren't thinking about salary or 'getting what your worth' or anything - you're only thinking that now because you've crossed over to the other side and are securely riding along on your high horse.

 

[flashman]

Get your CFI's and teach....but TEACH YOUR STUDENT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, don't view them as a time builder only. Look into CAP, Angel Flight and some other stuff where you are donating your time to fly...

Sadly, you are not the only person I've talked to recently that is from MAPD that was sold the line by RS and RC at MAPD of "we believe that there are people out there that don't need to get their CFI's" and "we have a 98% hire rate for our graduates"

PM me if you want

 

[CDogg]

Like many have said, you're a professional now, you deserve to get paid... and at 275 hours I went and did banner towing, I was able to get on the insurance and I racked up about 580 hours in 3 months. Good luck.

 

[av8rbama]

You mo-fo's are just too much. What's wrong w/this industry is NOT the lowpay, it's the attitude of the people who've "made it" being so unwilling to help the guys starting out.
"Just go and be a CFI and fly traffic watch in the morning and afternoon" You make it sound so easy! I've done a million searches and have yet to find any traffic watch job, and besides most of the ones I see when I drive around are done in helicopters, not airplanes.
All you guys were once at 250 hours and willing to do anything to fly - you weren't thinking about salary or 'getting what your worth' or anything - you're only thinking that now because you've crossed over to the other side and are securely riding along on your high horse.

Before you start classifying all of us as mo-fos unwilling to help people out, I'm practically right where you 250 hour guys are right now... do you know how hard it is to get a job with 30 hours multi, even though I've got 1400 hours TT? There are jobs where I qualify but it's another single engine... 210 or saratoga or 206. Don't even say I could fly 135 b/c I've still got 60 hours of NIGHT time to go. I barely meet the instrument mins because you just can't shoot mapping photography when it's cloudy or dark. I've got my CFI but don't have time to instruct b/c work is so hectic, not to mention I can't turn down a steady paycheck to either instruct for peanuts an hour's drive up the road or get enough students locally to make free-lance an option. I've got quite a bit of student loan debt from my masters in civil engineering and from getting my ratings. In case you haven't realized, you have to start paying these loans back when you graduate. I love flying but I have bills to pay. I can't justify the money I've spent to get where I am as a "hobby." If I could get away with that, I would have bought a Luscombe with that student loan money years ago and bore holes in the sky on the weekend.

I've even passed on some job info on here about getting some PIC dual (from the left seat, not a seat warmer) in a Partenavia. John2375, I haven't seen you PM me about that position. Don't even cry that it's not out there when other pilots are spoon-feeding leads to you.

You're one of the cocky low-time pilots that gives other young guys like me a bad name.

 

[Hadhafang]

Let me clarify something. Several of you have said that I am some low time pilot just trying to "steal" an airline job because I mentioned that I actually like to fly. How you draw that conclusion, I have no idea. I'm practicing what I am preaching. The airlines are not my goal. I wouldn't touch them with a 49-foot-pole. If I did, I would probably end up dissapointed also. Why are you so negative about aviation? You knew what the business was like before you got into it, so why did you continue to pursue it? Furthermore, stop posting that some of the other posters and myself are willing to work for free. I NEVER said that. I just love to fly, and if I get some opportunity to fly that I would not get paid for (not a permanent job) I am going for it. Every flight is a good learning experience. If you had the opportunity to fly a P-51 as a safety pilot (crazy, I know), would you actually demand that the pilot pay you? I guess it comes down to why you are in aviation. There are two groups: Those that are in aviation to make money, and those that are in it because they love to fly. The money route might be dissapointing, and the other route will be up to the pilot to make it successful. So stop bashing the the guys who are in it for the love of aviation. Help the low-time pilots, don't put them down.

 

[Hadhafang]

And, really, the name calling is unecessary. It's not professional and it doesn't help anbody.

 

[CDogg]

There are two groups: Those that are in aviation to make money, and those that are in it because they love to fly. The money route might be dissapointing, and the other route will be up to the pilot to make it successful. So stop bashing the the guys who are in it for the love of aviation. Help the low-time pilots, don't put them down.

I'm all about helping anyone I can to make em happy, but lets get real, you forgot one group. Those of us that love to fly, but also enjoy to eat, sleep under a roof and not a cardboard box and have a decent QOL. my .02.

 

[Hootie9750]

so obviously flamebait.

 

[Hadhafang]

Sure, everyone would like to have a nice house and all that. But there has to be a limit. If you live in a million dollar home or have multiple cars or can afford a plasma screen TV and then you come on here complaining about how bad you have it...... That is my point. Seriously, this is the only country in the world where are "poor" people are overweight. If you are after a high paying job, I just don't think aviation is going to be your career. The industry just can't support all pilots making $100,000+ a year. The times have changed and we all are going to have to adjust. I guess my point is that you just have to live within your means.

 

[av8rbama]

I'm all about helping anyone I can to make em happy, but lets get real, you forgot one group. Those of us that love to fly, but also enjoy to eat, sleep under a roof and not a cardboard box and have a decent QOL. my .02.

That's the most concice way to state what I've been trying to say.

 

[av8rbama]

...
Every flight is a good learning experience. If you had the opportunity to fly a P-51 as a safety pilot (crazy, I know), would you actually demand that the pilot pay you?
...

I believe I said earlier that there are some opportunities to fly along with different pilots on what would normally be a single-pilot flight. For instance, the FBO where we base our planes manages some 400-series Cessnas for different businessmen around town, and a couple of B200 are based here as well and I've come to know the pilots. I fly with these guys whenever possible, often for free [GASP] for the time building and learning experience. We fly like a crew, CRM all the way, and I get to log a good chunk of the time, often as dual with a MEII. Since these are normally single-pilot operations, there is no way I would ever ask for payment. I'm fortunate that they let me ride along. However, there have been a couple of occasions where they were going to busy airspace or in crappy weather, trips where they ususally hire a second pilot to go along. I've never had to ask for payment, these people have always said "send me an invoice" whenever it was a trip like that. I am fortunate in that respect.

There are other people who have asked me to "ride along" on trips where they usually pay another pilot. Ain't no way. If someone is trying to cut corners like that whenever they can, there's no telling where else they're cutting corners.

No one ever said you should never get in a plane unless you get paid for it... it's only a bad thing when you SHOULD be receiving a paycheck and other people are using you to make money for themselves.

 

[BCpilot81]

Not really, but......

To say that anyone really gets a commercial ticket and wants to flight instructing just to flight instruct, either has a death wish or is just a bold faced liar. But, I said the same thing in your shoes. At the risk of sounding completely cheesy, has made me a much better pilot. Plus time build up is second to none when you speak in terms of hours per year. It all depends how bad you want that goal, how are you going to bust your hump now, to get their sooner. Think about it, it is not that bad.

 

[txpilot1974]

He probably washed out of GIA. Pay your dues like the rest of us.

 

[siucavflight]

. There are two groups: Those that are in aviation to make money, and those that are in it because they love to fly. The

There is three groups actually: I love to fly, but I also feel the need to cloth my baby, put a roof over her head, I am not looking to get rich, but a job in which you are responsible for the safe outcome of 100's of people lives everyday deserves more than 14,000 in first year pay.