CALEX negotiations take turn for worse

[B1900DFO]

Finally some guys with the right attitude! Now that the regionals are becoming a destination instead of a stepping-stone it's time to bring our wages on par with bus drivers. I hope you guys atleast get Comair plus 10%...Good luck

 

[Sam Fisher]

Finally some guys with the right attitude! Now that the regionals are becoming a destination instead of a stepping-stone it's time to bring our wages on par with bus drivers. I hope you guys atleast get Comair plus 10%...Good luck

While I would love CMR + 10%, given that is outside of the NMB's "regional" box, I think it will be more like CMR + a little, which would still make us the best paid 50 seat jet pilots out there and we will be the first to "reset the bar" post-9/11. I, like, McPickle, would like to thank the CHQ and MSA guys for allowing us to be the first to reset the bar. Bravado aside, you guys did what you had to do in your minds and hearts and that is fine, but we won't cave.

Sam

REgionAL Airline? REAL Contract.

 

[BigShotXJTdrvr]

Finally some guys with the right attitude! Now that the regionals are becoming a destination instead of a stepping-stone it's time to bring our wages on par with bus drivers. I hope you guys atleast get Comair plus 10%...Good luck

Actually guys, there is a growing number of pilots here who are so pissed off with what this career has become and are so insulted by the behavior of our management that burning it down to the ground and starting over at somthing else is becoming a real option. Basically we want to get paid, or we WANT to see this place wrecked. And if some POS does ever get signed by 50%+1, I would guess there will be anywhere from 300 to 1000 guys who will say F*&% IT I'm not living this crap life for the next 8 years. COEX management wants to see if we're willing to commit career suicide. The unfortunate reality is that many here are willing. Our management had better have their plans in order if they choose to test us. It's not empty talk.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Never judge someone till you are in their shoes..

When you dont get COmair plus 30 percent, I will just stand back and laugh..and if you think that your management isnt smart enough to figure out how to blackmail you you are wrong.
I truly wish you the best, but dont put down a good group of people because you like to blame your problems on someone else.

 

[captjim]

Never judge someone till you are in their shoes..

When you dont get COmair plus 30 percent, I will just stand back and laugh..and if you think that your management isnt smart enough to figure out how to blackmail you you are wrong.
I truly wish you the best, but dont put down a good group of people because you like to blame your problems on someone else.

That is the biggest contradiction I've ever read, are you sure you want that post to stay?

 

[MedFlyer]

I think the XJT guys have a good shot at getting Comair+X%. You've got a good amount of leverage since you account for 99% of CAL's feed. XJT is doing ok and CAL is weathering the storm decently, so there's no reason that XJT can't raise the bar.

ASA, on the otherhand, doesn't have half the leverage. ASA's only presence is ATL and DFW. In ATL, ASA is slowly getting overlapped mitigating much of the strike threat. If you subtract out the routes that CMR has taken over and the routes that ASA shares with DAL mainline, you'll see that ASA doesn't have that tight of a hold on ATL. An ASA strike would cripple DFW, but in all reality that does't matter. DFW doesn't make money for DL and losing it wouldn't be that big of a blow to the system.

Factor that in with DL's declining financials and pressure from DALPA and you've got yourself one tough road ahead for ASA.

 

[B1900DFO]

BigshotXJetdriver,

It's sad but that seems to be the general state of the industry these days. So many pilots are either out of work or hate their jobs and are actively looking for another career. It's about time somebody called BS and fought for a liveable wage that you can actually buy a home and live a decent life with. Who knows maybe you guys will have 50 seat captains making more than Mesa is going to pay their 737 guys. That would be real interesting.

 

[N813CA]

Hey as a pilot at Comair, make us proud. We have been waiting a long time now for a group to push this forward. We did it earlier. Lets keep it going. I can guarantee you will have the Comair pilots support.

 

[Ben Franklin]

When you dont get COmair plus 30 percent, I will just stand back and laugh..

And I will kick you in the nuts.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Ben Franklin]

squah in the nuts.


Sincerely,


B. Franklin

 

[Stingman]

All of the above posts are exactly what I was referring to about the tough talk. You talk a good talk, now let's see you walk (of course only if that's what it takes to get a great contract). I hope you do accomplish the goal of considerably raising the bar, but we've all heard this before time and again.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

We will do our best to raise the bar, you can be assured. Now if ASA can just drag their negotiations out long enough for us to finish, that should help their cause as well. My hat is off to you Comair guys for standing up to Delta and refusing concessions. Had you decided to whore yourselves out then you too could have gotten some shiny new jets last week. I'm just surprised that ASA got any at all. Not exactly proficient whipsaw strategy by Mother Delta, is it?

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Why are we guaranteed to succeed where others have failed? First, whe are incredibly angry and unified. None of us expected to be FOs on an RJ for 5 years and we are so PO'd by management's games that many are ready to burn the house down. Still, that means nothing without the second reason, LEVERAGE. If we walk, CAL no longer serves Milwaukee, Charlotte, Louisville, Memphis, St. Louis, Palm Springs, Toronto, Montreal, and many smaller cities. XJT mgt. will not settle until told to by CAL. We are merely a shell corporation, and a strike by us would likely put CAL in Ch.11 in a matter of days. So when Gordo and Co. feel CAL's public image (best place to work, so our mgt. keeps telling us) is being tarnished too much by our soon to be unleashed PR blitz, only then will XJT come back to the table and pay the piper.

 

[Ben Franklin]

by our soon to be unleashed PR blitz,

Ok, I go to the company/union websites and stuff. Where do you get your information from? What PR blitz? ALPA hasn't done much, what makes you think that they are going to do anything at all?

OH, and I did read the article that went out in the IAH paper today. Is that a "blitz"? Maybe you can tell us who your inside source is so that we can all share in the information instead of 3 people knowing everything about our futures.


Sincerely,


B. Franklin

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

I believe the preparations were begun at the MEC meeting this week. It takes time to get the bilboards changed in Terminal B. Mgt. stabbed us in the back last week and i believe there will be no more Mr. nice guy from us!