CAL/UAL Merger Done Next Week

[njcapt]

All I can say is that there better be no furloughed UAL pilot senior to me on the new list. I was a DEC 2005 CAL hire

So the obnoxious, self-absorbed nihilist wants someone else to stand up for his quality of life.

Can't say I'm surprised.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The CAL pilots have to approve this, and that means GO FOR A BIG PAY RAISE AND TIGHTEN SCOPE. Don't just go "for the Delta contract", go bigger, so the rest of us can go up too eventually down the road. Go for SWA pay or better. Good luck!

Bye Bye---General Lee

Delta Pilots are still paid 40% less than pre 9/11 rates.

I'd go MUCH bigger.

 

[SFR]

So the obnoxious, self-absorbed nihilist wants someone else to stand up for his quality of life.

Can't say I'm surprised.

I don't know what "nihilist" is and I don't do fancy words. But I am still thrilled about the cheap CAL stock I bought!!! YEAH

 

[SFR]

And I am thrilled about Magnolia, I just hope it does not flood.........

 

[eaglesview]

I would love to see the new management team come up with an enticing early-out package to solve a potential overstaffing issue and in turn bring back the furloughs. The combined list will have A LOT of age 60+ pilots. Getting them to leave could solve a lot of our concerns.

That would be nice, time will tell.

 

[SFR]

Gotta get up, go out, me and all my friends, drink up and throw down, then do it all agaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiin................


I will be in the IAH crew lounge for then next 3 hours. Come chat if you dare!!! I am the one on the laptop....

I am waving right now...

 

[Flopgut]

Despite our best hopes, this is a bargaining process. The company has to give up something, and so does labor.

Isn't Airways in violation of Republic's scope clause as we speak? I think there are whole bunch of 70+ seat airplanes in South America at idle due to labor contract provisions. It's not unheard of and it's an excellent start point. Pay to park the contracted aircraft that are in violation of CAL's scope clause and send the bill to UAL and don't close the merger til they pay it. Or, they can drop the new airline out of the Star Alliance.

This is indeed bargaining time folks and with all due respect, the concessionists at UAL need to sit on their hands and let CAL ALPA take over. We're not giving up anything.

 

[Smarta$$]

What makes you so certain that CAL's scope won't survive a joint agreement? Both companies realize they need union cooperation to make a merger work properly. Reference the major difference between DAL/NWA and USAir/AW. While I seriously doubt the combined group could recapture lost flying jobs given up in bankruptcy, I certainly see the combined pilot groups of CAL/UAL holding the line right where it is.

No more outsourcing. Plain and simple.

Your argument does not hold water. If they hold the line right where it is, there will be united 70 seat aircraft (lots of them) flying for the new combined carrier. That is not presently the case for Continental.

 

[justin15e]

One thing to consider is they just furloughed over 1000 pilots at UA because they parked all their SNB airbus'. I don't think you're going to see UA ALPA on board any merger that doesn't have a plan to bring those guys back any time soon.

Certainly there might be room for negotiation on payrates for the 70 seaters, but anyone that discounts the fact that CAL scope is strong in this regard will be fooling themselves. If management of both CAL and UA wants pilots on board, they better bring back all 1700 from UA and 147 from CAL before they think we'll get behind a merger.

 

[LearLove]

All I can say is that there better be no furloughed UAL pilot senior to me on the new list. I was a DEC 2005 CAL hire

see people this is why we make baseball bats. i'm told wood is better than aluminum, it crushes the skull cleaner without splattering too much blood.

 

[Flopgut]

One thing to consider is they just furloughed over 1000 pilots at UA because they parked all their SNB airbus'. I don't think you're going to see UA ALPA on board any merger that doesn't have a plan to bring those guys back any time soon.

Certainly there might be room for negotiation on payrates for the 70 seaters, but anyone that discounts the fact that CAL scope is strong in this regard will be fooling themselves. If management of both CAL and UA wants pilots on board, they better bring back all 1700 from UA and 147 from CAL before they think we'll get behind a merger.

We have a plan. It's called: Keep CAL's Scope!

We may have our share of flakes here at CAL. But we don't have a Paul Whiteford!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

If they want to keep the 70 seaters etc, they can bring them to mainline... flown by mainline pilots...

Yogi

 

[eaglesview]

If they want to keep the 70 seaters etc, they can bring them to mainline... flown by mainline pilots...

Yogi

These are all great ideas on here but none of them deal with the reality of millions of dollars worth of contracts that UAL has with it's feeders. I only see a feeeze of the current level of 70 seaters.

 

[SRJ]

These are all great ideas on here but none of them deal with the reality of millions of dollars worth of contracts that UAL has with it's feeders. I only see a feeeze of the current level of 70 seaters.

Looks like UAL pilots screwed up with the scope relief.

 

[avrodriver]

These are all great ideas on here but none of them deal with the reality of millions of dollars worth of contracts that UAL has with it's feeders. I only see a feeeze of the current level of 70 seaters.

They aren't even ideas...more dreams.

But you know what? I'm not going to sit here and tell these guys it ain't gonna happen. This is what we pay our reps for. To represent what we want.

Flopgut keep the tude! I hope it spreads.

When you start getting proposals and offers flung in front of you then it will be time to actually take a look around...till then why not aim high?

Going into the game expecting to lose isn't going to motivate you to put the most points on the board.

Good luck guys!

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