CAL-Skywest Code Share - Facts

[JBcrjca]

We're beating a dead horse here, and it's obviously impossible to reason with Skyward. You can't make the abrogation issue much clearer than Surplus1 has, and even then Skyward keeps bring up the same argument. And he hasn't addressed why XJT doesn't just bring back their old turboprops for the XJT crews to fly themselves.

One thing that I can't wait to see once a formal announcement is made...Skyward's response when he sees that the all-or-nothing attitude failed miserably, and that his union reps have been wrong all along.

 

[Skyward]

And he hasn't addressed why XJT doesn't just bring back their old turboprops for the XJT crews to fly themselves.

I addressed this on another thread; CAL ALPA cannot force XJT management to fly turbo props any more than SkyWest pilots can force management to fly 747’s. CAL ALPA can however dictate any terms of turbo prop flying in IAH.

 

[easy spirit]

..........CAL ALPA can however dictate any terms of turbo prop flying in IAH.

What if CAL sells their majority stake in XJT? What then???

My guess is the next thing you'll be labeling the purchaser SCABS!

We'll just have to wait and see won't we.

 

[Skyward]

If CAL sells the remaining shares of XJT it doesn’t change anything regarding the Prop MOU. As far as your SCAB comment, I have no idea what you’re talking about. My definition of a SCAB doesn't include someone who buys an airline. What does that have to do with anything?

 

[easy spirit]

.....My definition of a SCAB doesn't include someone who buys an airline. What does that have to do with anything?

Good! I was just Just checking!!

 

[Skyward]

Hay look we agree on something!

 

[FlyingViking]

Maybe a minor detail but the flying as it stands now belongs to Continental; not Continental Express, not Sky West. Hence, Continental can dictate pretty much every aspect of the deal. So the Sky West pilots would be pissed if Coex pilots fly to VCT you say? Guess what the alternative would be? Think CAL management is more worried about XJet pilots or Sky West pilots?

 

[Gottafly74]

Guys,

All sides have points and arguments that make total sense. But from all indications that i've heard, the A/C to be used would be the ones that are in the desert with Cont. Exp. already written on them. If Skywest uses them then CALAPLA is doing the right thing. If Skywest uses their own Maintenance, Disp, Crew Rooms and operations at IAH, then I say good luck.

What I'm basically saying is if the Prop flying is done with our old A/C, Give em hell CALALPA. If it is a total seperate deal for Skywest and they use their own equipment totally and their own facilities then it should be allowed. If Xjet or CAL is associated in anyway for Mx or Disp or even Flt Atts., No deal.

I just don't wanna see our old birds in the desert being used in another corporate shell game regardless who is on the other end.

Once Skywest is in ,then we need to make sure that we negotiate block hour restrictions or destination restrictions. If we dont we'll see props mixed in with jets eventually to routes that can support both(Ex: Iah-Btr)


Flame Away

 

[skywestdrvr]

Gottafly74,
Just wondering if COEX owns the airplanes in the desert? SkyWest doesn't have enough brasilias in the system to cover that flying. They would have to take leases or loans out to get the aircraft to do the flying. What does it matter if it used to be your airplanes. If you sold them then they aren't yours anymore. Just like when XJET decided to go all jets. They want props on those routes because it costs less to operate I guess. I am not trying to be confrontational at all. This is business taking place and we are just pawns.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus, no matter how you cut it you are better off today because of ALPA. They may not be perfect, but better than the alternative. Your anti-ALPA tirades are getting old.

Skyward,

My tirades are not anti-ALPA, they are anti-seniority theft. If that shoe fits the ALPA foot then they'll just have to wear it. No matter how "old" that gets you'll continue to hear it. Your option is to stop reading my posts.

As to how better off I am today because of ALPA, candidly, you are not in a position to know that one way or the other. You haven't been around long enough.

 

[surplus1]

This is business taking place and we are just pawns.

Truer words have seldom been spoken. What's really unfortunate is that pilots in general a pawns of management and regional pilots have now become pawns of their own union as well. The former is nothing new, the latter is despicable. Both suck.

 

[Gottafly74]

I'll agree we are all pawns but that doesn't mean we should not fight the status quo. As for who owns the Brasilias, thats a good question. When the split off from CAL occurred, all the assets were rolled into one and then metered out to XJT according to many tax implications. The 120's were being sold prior to the spin off and XJT was the seller. I'm also assuming that the massive debt that XJT owed to CAL(insert Laugh here). Included the props that were on property at the time which were subsequently parked in the desert. So basically the 120's are XJT's.

Sky, your tone wasn't taken as confrontational. I sure hope mine wasn't. As a grumpy ole Capt. told me once, "We are all the Red Headed Bastard step children of the Airline industry".

 

[skywestdrvr]

Just know this!

I just want everyone to know that the general word around SkyWest is that furloughed pilots are welcomed. We are also in the business of helping out pilots on the street. We may be non-union but that doesn't make us anti-union. We have a union drive going on right now and have 35% of the cards returned to petition the union. Please don't take all this as if we are not wanting to help people out. We don't want our seniority list messed up just like you wouldn't want yours messed up. Nothing is right about SkyWest airplanes and XJET pilots flying them completely. NOTHING!!!

Some pilots may go to the left seat immediately but that means that no one else wanted to go to Houston. It doesn't mean that you got there because you DESERVE it. It will very likely happen. Alot of our people are from the west coast and don't want anything to do with Houston. You will still be at the bottom of the seniority list. You will still be at the bottom of the seniority list!

If you don't like the way your company does business, apply somewhere else. We have alot of COEX people working at SkyWest now. They are very happy. We make decisions in life that we have to live with. You chose to work for them. I chose to work for SkyWest. If something goes wrong over here I am not gonna be on this board compaining about what some other company is doing. I am gonna have to make a decision to stick with this company or apply somewhere else. You make that decision and quit blaming your company's problems on SkyWest pilots!

Have a good day and keep the nose up in the turns!

 

[Skyward]

I don't think anyone has ever blamed any SkyWest pilots for anything!!! But we have been debating CAL ALPA's role in shaping any flying that may take place.

 

[Skyward]

By the way I hope your union push goes through.

 

[skywestdrvr]

They aren't gonna push it right now because of the low percentage of cards that got returned. They want somewhere around 60-70 percent. Looking around the industry, alot of people don't think a union will do much good for anything because our management treats us good anyway.

 

[Skyward]

Origanlly posted by skywestdrvr

Looking around the industry, alot of people don't think a union will do much good for anything because our management treats us good anyway.

When management treats you good there is no need for a union, but that one time management screws you and you don’t have a union is when it gets you. One thing to remember since this thread has much to do with seniority lists is that without a union that is management’s list. Just something to think about, I wish the best for all SkyWest pilots.

 

[maddog805]

By the way I hope your union push goes through.

Me Too!

 

[embdrvr]

inquiring minds want to know

So who is it, alpa, ibt, independent?

 

[Skyward]

I don’t think SkyWest could generate enough cash to go at it alone, I’m partial to ALPA myself.