CAL or SWA

[bravodude]

Got a budy who can't seem to decide. He has familly in NJ and IL so location doesn't matter.

 

[MINIME]

Tell him to go to CAL so that I can get his slot at LUV!!!!!! PLEASE

 

[dhampton]

Has your buddy interviewed at SWA?

 

[ERJpusher]

Unless he absolutely feels he needs to fly heavy metal over the pond, this shouldn't even be a question.

 

[SWA/FO]

go to CAL!!!!!!

 

[veneratio]

Go to CAL

 

[Ex737Driver]

Got a budy who can't seem to decide. He has familly in NJ and IL so location doesn't matter.

Apples vs oranges. Let his wife pick based on the aircraft colors. Seems to work doing football season.

 

[tie1on]

if you want a life of the worst contract and pbs that doesn't work with only 12 days off go to cal

 

[GogglesPisano]

CAL all the way! Variety of a/c, variety of destinations, inflight meals, pass benefits.

 

[pkober]

He should to his wife and make a decision that's best for his family.

 

[propjob27]

Got a budy who can't seem to decide. He has familly in NJ and IL so location doesn't matter.

What kind of homo cares how close his family is?

I'd take the company that has a domicile furthest from mine...

And next time, "buddy" has two "d"s, and "faimly" has one "l"

 

[bravodude]

What kind of homo cares how close his family is?

I'd take the company that has a domicile furthest from mine...

And next time, "buddy" has two "d"s, and "faimly" has one "l"

And you have no life.

 

[SWA/FO]

CAL is the only airline with a future. No passes at SWA, upgrade is 15 years now. sux.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'll bring the thread back.

I have no doubt SWA will be an international airline in the next 3 years. Junior man on the property gets 15 days off per month. Our upgrade is just under 7 years and captains top out about $193 bucks an hour.

How does CAL compare to that? Don't ask a bunch of jerks like us our opinion, ask for facts. Then make your decision.

Gup

 

[propjob27]

I'll help bring it back on track too. I'll list some +

CAL:

+Big airplanes. (a 757, 767 or 777 is a lot more comfy to stare out the window and/or the cockpit floor in. Left over 1st class meals too)
+One leg days (he l l, one leg 3 day trips)
+Not running from gate to gate or any of that crap. You go to work, you get on one airplane, fly one flight, and then go to the hotel/bar/etc for 24 hours. <widebody fleet only, a 73 is a 73>
+International destinations (and I'm not talking about Canada or Mexico) from day one if you want it.
+Year 3-4 777 F/O pay: $95 an hour, and you definitely aren't working that hard for it.
+When your neighbor sees you throwing your suitcase in your car, and asks "Where ya going on this trip buddy?", you're saying "Rome." or "Paris", not "Omaha."

SWA:

+Better money upfront. (first year pay is 'economically viable')
+Better money down the road (Captain Pay)
+Year 3-4 FO pay: $108 an hour (but you are working for it)
+Better job "stability"
+Young and/or fun FAs that put out (I have the child support payment to prove it)
+Mr. C's. (Careful, see above +)
+When your neighbor sees you throwing your suitcase in your car, and asks "Where ya going on this trip buddy?", you're saying "Omaha", but your car is nicer than the CAL guy's.



Make a decision and live with it.

 

[mdf]

And next time, "buddy" has two "d"s, and "faimly" has one "l"[/quote]


This is classic. The spell checker comes out swinging with "faimly".

Way to go bro!

 

[propjob27]

This is classic. The spell checker comes out swinging with "faimly".

Way to go bro!

My error was a function of dyslexia.

And learn to "quote" correctly. I think the community college is offering free HTML classes.

 

[Victor120]

This is classic. The spell checker comes out swinging with "faimly".

Way to go bro!

I think it is one of life's greatest little pleasures to see the spelling and grammar police chunk it while critiquing others. I'm still giggling.


On the subject at hand, given the choice of these two companies I would choose the one that has a domicile in a city I would want to live. Both companies are stable and seem to be healthy ongoing entities. Pay is just fine at either place. So for me it boils down to this; long term commuting is really not a good lifestyle choice.

Good luck to your friend.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I like the flying and variety of airplanes at CAL but I would have job security as the number one priority. SWA seems to be a safer bet but a hard decision regardless. Good luck.

 

[KCSO780]

+Young and/or fun FAs that put out (I have the child support payment to prove it)



I don't care who you are, thats funny $hit right there.............:beer:

 

[GoodTimes]

I'll help bring it back on track too. I'll list some +

CAL:


+Year 3-4 777 F/O pay: $95 an hour, and you definitely aren't working that hard for it.

SWA:


+Year 3-4 FO pay: $108 an hour (but you are working for it)




Flying for an airline does not qualify as "hard work". Even if it did, I wouldn't be afraid of working hard for a living.

 

[mdf]

My error was a function of dyslexia.

And learn to "quote" correctly. I think the community college is offering free HTML classes.

Your killing me! You have no clue that you are pegging the dork meter!

 

[mach zero]

I like the flying and variety of airplanes at CAL but I would have job security as the number one priority. SWA seems to be a safer bet but a hard decision regardless. Good luck.

WOW! Is that something positive about SWA from Capt Mega or did she forget to log out on a hotel computer?

 

[ivauir]

My error was a function of dyslexia.

Then don't be so quick to slam others. We're supposed to ignore your stupid mistakes while you are a jerk to everyone else? Go to the library and get a Dale Carnige book. Check the spelling on the name though, I might have messed it up as a function of my laziness.

 

[ERJpusher]

At SWA, if you have a health issue or a an injury that prevents you from flying anymore, the company will pay you 65% of your salary for the 1st 5 years, and then continue to pay you 60% until you turn 65. They will also cover your health insurance until you turn 65.

Don't know if CAL has that kind of protection or not, but it is huge piece of mind for us at SWA. Once you are here, the company considers you family and will take care of you as such no matter what.

 

[SheGaveMeClap]

Once you are here, the company considers you family and will take care of you as such no matter what.

That's a great benefit today, but I'm sure there were legacy pilots out there that thought the same of their pensions. If SWA gets into a pinch down the road, I hope that remains true.

 

[mdf]

To get back on topic, I think both companies look pretty good. I would look closely at culture, and domicile locations.

Now to get back off topic..............How about those #20 Salukis!!!!!

 

[ERJpusher]

That's a great benefit today, but I'm sure there were legacy pilots out there that thought the same of their pensions. If SWA gets into a pinch down the road, I hope that remains true.

Apples and oranges. Pension plans and insurance plans are two different things. SWA isn't paying every single person in the company disability, just a random few here and there. Pensions are required to be paid to every single employee from retirement until they die, and then half to their spouses until THEY die.

In the grand scheme of things, the company loses very little by offering this type of insurance. Not many pilots become completely disabled. But it is comforting to know that you have it if it does happen.

 

[ERJFO]

+When your neighbor sees you throwing your suitcase in your car, and asks "Where ya going on this trip buddy?", you're saying "Rome." or "Paris", not "Omaha."

Unless PBS messed up your bid and you have have to commute in from PDX to do an El Paso turn.

 

[propjob27]

GoodTimes says: "Flying for an airline does not qualify as "hard work". Even if it did, I wouldn't be afraid of working hard for a living."

Wow. You must be management.