CAL Class Breakdown JUN06-SEP06

[DBCOOPER]

We give IOE to the same kind of guys at the fractionals....only thing is, they have to master alot more than just the flying skills.

 

[JTrain]

My comment regarding the CitationShares guy taking a gamble was about him rolling the dice to some extent by leaving CS to go to CAL.

I think BOTH places are great places to work at, and to be sitting at one while contemplating an offer from the other has to be gut-wrenching.

I trust the individual in question made the best decision for himself, but it can't have been an easy choice.

jt

 

[pkober]

You can't make a statement on flight info without being eaten alive. What were you thinking?

 

[a10hogplt]

fractional

you know what? whoever says fractional flying is better first of all cant get an interview at a major, or just loves cleaning the toilet.

i've done fractional and now i'm at a major...i'd rather go to home depot and work than go back to a fractional.

yeah, you work harder, get paid less. if you like that go for it! Coffee, ice, and newspapers, stock, catering, bag loading...oh boy i miss it!

 

[Cavpilot]

you know what? whoever says fractional flying is better first of all cant get an interview at a major, or just loves cleaning the toilet.

i've done fractional and now i'm at a major...i'd rather go to home depot and work than go back to a fractional.

yeah, you work harder, get paid less. if you like that go for it! Coffee, ice, and newspapers, stock, catering, bag loading...oh boy i miss it!

Simmer down there, Hoss! Nobody said fractional flying was better or worse, just more demanding. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to work for the airlines.

 

[pkober]

Some of our , CAL , approaches in Central and South America are pretty "demanding".

 

[a10hogplt]

i'm very settled! i guess i hated it so much i dont understand how anyone could like it..! but i do agree......you do everything yourself with the fractionals..making it more of a challenge...but i would atleast like to get paid something for that!

 

[bailey3083]

I know how talented and hard-working you folks are, but my career advice is that if you want to work at a major airline, (and you can afford to) go get some 121 experience.

Blue skies,

LJDRVR

Mesa and GoJets is more then willing to hire people into a shiny new EMB170. LOL

Bailey

 

[Cobra]

My comment regarding the CitationShares guy taking a gamble was about him rolling the dice to some extent by leaving CS to go to CAL.

I think BOTH places are great places to work at, and to be sitting at one while contemplating an offer from the other has to be gut-wrenching.

I trust the individual in question made the best decision for himself, but it can't have been an easy choice.

jt

I see your point. I took the wrong angle. My bad

 

[bravodude]

Same here. I took the post the wrong way. Also anyone who would like to do the fractional thing instead of 121 has never done the airline gig.

 

[Cavpilot]

My comment regarding the CitationShares guy taking a gamble was about him rolling the dice to some extent by leaving CS to go to CAL.

That makes sense. Good luck to all of you guys at CAL. Just out of curiosity, how long is the predicted upgrade time for someone that getting hired there today?

 

[Redman]

Are some new-hires still going to the 756 and if so, what's that like schedule wise for the first year? Is reserve on that equipment abusive, or not too bad?? Thanks in advance.

 

[Cavpilot]

Also anyone who would like to do the fractional thing instead of 121 has never done the airline gig.

At NetJets, we have a lot of major airline furloughees. Now that the recall notices are coming, the vast majority are NOT going back.

 

[pkober]

Not going back yet. I think every furloughee who has a job will bypass recall to the max extend allowed before they make their final decision. Why go back right away and be junior sitting reserve in a crash pad. You can wait a few years and go back to better senority. They might also like where they are and just stay there.

 

[IAHERJ]

The upgrade time for someone hired today would probably be anywhere from 3-5 years given no major changes at the airline or industry. The good thing as that you can stay in the right seat and move around the fleet up to the 757/767 and 777 and still make six figures with more days off than taking the first upgrade to go back to reserve. Guys flying on 5th year pay on the widebodies can hold lines in EWR and make well over 100k. Quality of life is pretty good but hope it gets better in 2008.

 

[jetjockey#1]

I assure you that the set of skills used at a fractional are at least 3 times what any 121 pilot has to use. For example; fractional pilots fly under part 91, part 91k and part 135. many times all in the same day. No slam against 121 guys but fractional flying is far more demanding in almost every way.

I guess if you are going to fly a G4 or a Hawker you need to get that experience. However, at a 121 operation you need to be able to fly from the right seat. What?? many 135 operators only let a pilot fly from the left seat, also, how many items do your flows have, what? flows?

The bottom line is, a 121 pilot has a much much easier transition to a different airline than a 135 or a military pilot. Not picking on anybody, that's just the thruth. I personally have gone through 6 training events at 121 carriers, and the HARDEST one by far it was my first initial training event.
I don't mean we should only hire 121 pilots at CAL, I truly believe that diversity is great, however, between a 121 RJ captain and a 135 Hawker XP Captain I'll put my money on the RJ cap.

 

[Plug]

Just had a sit down with a CP in EWR and they will hire 50 additional bringing the total to over 500. Also, the 10/31/06 class had 6 737, 8 756, and 2 777 slots in it.

 

[Patriot328]

wow... newhire into the 777... amazing.

wonder how long rsv will be fore those guys?

 

[skiutah]

So on the 31 Oct class where did the planes go ie. 777 most senior 757 middle and 737 bottom or a mix?

 

[Captain X]

Maybe so, however they were pretty quick to furlough after 9-11.

The two airlines that were quickest to furlough were the two that were able to avoid bankruptcy -- AAL and CAL.

Kinda like applying a torniquet to a wound -- the faster you stop the bleeding.....

It wasn't a popular decision and it sucked for those that directly lossed their jobs, etc. but it was a good decision. BTW, everyone is back now + about 700 on the way.

 

[SFR]

Why is it that almost every corporate pilot I know has an inferiority complex? It seems like they are always trying to justify why they don't want to work for a major.

I say almost because I have a lot of friends at Netjets and others.....some have the complex..some don't.

It is obvious...pilots for 121 majors are well hung! it is that simple....

 

[THEPRFCT10]

What do you mean?

That might be because the military guys no better than to go work for CAL. The only reason people apply is because they are the one of few hiring. Look at their contract and you'll see it's a piece of crap.

Their contract is a piece of crap? I applied and am waiting to hear from them...something I should know?

 

[pkober]

Make sure you tell them that when you interview. It will get a big laugh.

Hopefully you'll hear something soon 10.

The MEC we have now has vowed to get imporvement in 2008. I'm hopefull that they will fulfill there promise.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

I hope so too! BTW, do you happen to know how far out from an applicant's availability date are they calling guys? Just wondering...

 

[Deerkiller]

So on the 31 Oct class where did the planes go ie. 777 most senior 757 middle and 737 bottom or a mix?

probably in reverse...unless the most senior guy was from newark and wanted to stay home and collect a paycheck for the next two years.

737- quickest route out of EWR
757- great flying(from what i hear) about a year to get out of EWR
777- welcome to Newark(IAH 777FO is senior to EWR 737CA)

All that being said if you stay in EWR your base seniority will be better than your counterparts in CLE, and IAH. EWR is the most junior base.

disclaimer....this was posted by a guy who couldn't get out of EWR fast enough

 

[Hutchman]

The two airlines that were quickest to furlough were the two that were able to avoid bankruptcy -- AAL and CAL.

Kinda like applying a torniquet to a wound -- the faster you stop the bleeding.....

It wasn't a popular decision and it sucked for those that directly lossed their jobs, etc. but it was a good decision. BTW, everyone is back now + about 700 on the way.

Don't forget about the jobs most got with XJT as Captains during the flowback. Not a bad furlough if you ask me.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Don't forget about the jobs most got with XJT as Captains during the flowback. Not a bad furlough if you ask me.

Granted...........It's all in what you negotiate.

 

[Instigator]

Granted...........It's all in what you negotiate.

Too bad it got left on the table this time around.

 

[minrest]

The guys initially furloughed at CAL did not even get to work for Express as the more senior pilots being furloughed from CAL effectively bumped the junior guys back on the street.

 

[Tgaug6300]

Can't we all just get along?.........Thanks Rodney King!

SFR,
Is it that you are Hung? Or, is it that you fly those big planes to make up for lack of being hung? Just messin' with ya!

Lets face it one is no better, or worse than the other. Each have there own pluses and minuses. Selling Corporate jets like I do, I LOVE the airlines. There is nothing better than to fly a customer out somewhere in a Corpoarte aircraft, then have that same customer take the airlines home. Smart Corporate and Fractional guys should never run down the airlines. They are what boosts our business.
Now, as for why the airlines will pick a 121 pilot over a 135 or 91 pilot. Well, this is just a shot in the dark here but could it be that airlines (management, that is) has somewhat of a grudge against them because the Fractional and Corporate guys have been taking away their best (first class) customers.