C-Series announcement expected

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure they will get a few here at the show.

 

[polarpop]

Skywest has peaked, chipaway couldn't get a hand job in Vegas, with a fist full of hundies.
We are all skrewed.
PBR

You nailed it!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I think its becoming clear that scope-creep is on most pilots' radar.

Just because the plane is manufactured by Bombardier doesn't restrict to the realm of contractors. Boeing and Airbus certainly seem to be on the bleeding edge of the 100-130 seat jet market with regard to new technology and airframes.

 

[Flyprdu]

This needs to be in the "airline" section...."regional" and "major" don't mean anything anymore....It's a mistake to differentiate by number of seats....

As long as airplanes are painted in another company's livery, and as long as regionals don't market, sell, or service customers in any significant way.... there will always be a huge difference.

Pilots in the majors now have hopefully lived through and have been personally affected to the toxic ramifications of scope relief, and will act accordingly. The regional gravy train has ended. How sad a realization for you.

On the bright side... you can someday tell your grandkids that you were involved with that awesome fad of the early 21st century... called "regional jets." It's kind of like bellbottom jeans and butterfly collars.

 

[johnpeace]

Pilots in the majors now have hopefully lived through and have been personally affected to the toxic ramifications of scope relief, and will act accordingly. The regional gravy train has ended. How sad a realization for you.

Right, because everyone knows it's the pilot labor groups that are the REAL force behind industry trends...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Right, because everyone knows it's the pilot labor groups that are the REAL force behind industry trends...

Ding,ding,ding
Winnah,winner,chicken dinnah! The average pilot today has a giant mangina, strike, oh no! I "I won't be able to have my new Toyota Sienna pu$$ywagon detailed" The last groups from WWII, and Viet Nam who have since retired, were the last ones to hold airlines feet to the fiscal fire. I do give exception to the guys from AA, Comair, UAL(2000 summer of love) and most recently the Spirit guys. Most everybody else go ahead get that Brazilian Wax to show off your manginas! Grow a pair, get a Corvette, Porsche or a Yamahopper R1 or anything stupid fast, that won't hold anything bigger than a frozen burrito and six pack of beer, and no Harleys don't count, you have to GO stupid fast, not sound like a rototiller with a fouled spark plug and broken muffler, this is about actually going fast or actually doing something, as opposed to just looking like or sounding like you are. Sorry hat guys this goes for you too, even the military guys hate them too, the only hats they need are helmets and watch caps.
Ok now I think I have hit just about every FI demographic , let's see hats spellers, regional, mainline, got em all!
PBR

 

[Ad Lib]

One big question was answered at Farnborough ... how much growth potential does the C Series have? The wing and structure was built to top out at 150 seats, making this realistically a 125 to 130 seat jet in the configurations favored by most operators.

This means the jet is only barely a MD88 / 737 replacement. Sure, the CASM is so low that you could operate the type with higher frequencies, but the acquisition cost is going to be pretty high.

Boeing says their follow on to the 737 has been worked on extensively with Southwest Airlines and the white paper version of the airplane will be published this fall. There is a lot of talk of "engineering driven" design with Boeing taking a lot more work in house than they did on the 787.

Boeing's airplane is likely to be the superior product. They know how to build a narrow body platform VERY quickly and efficiently. The C Series might turn out to be just a tad too small to land in the fat part of the bell curve for replacement narrow body jets.

Also, long range systems don't scale down well. The reason Boeing cites for not building a mini 787 is that the systems would have to be completely redesigned.

For a systems comparison, ETOPS Certification:

75 Minutes - E175 / 195
180 Minutes - 737NG
330 Minutes - 777

 

[Ad Lib]

This needs to be in the "airline" section...."regional" and "major" don't mean anything anymore....It's a mistake to differentiate by number of seats....

Very true ...

Maybe the forums should be re-defined to "In Sourced" and "Out Sourced" labor.

 

[BrickTop]

One big question was answered at Farnborough ... how much growth potential does the C Series have? The wing and structure was built to top out at 150 seats, making this realistically a 125 to 130 seat jet in the configurations favored by most operators.

This means the jet is only barely a MD88 / 737 replacement. Sure, the CASM is so low that you could operate the type with higher frequencies, but the acquisition cost is going to be pretty high.

Boeing says their follow on to the 737 has been worked on extensively with Southwest Airlines and the white paper version of the airplane will be published this fall. There is a lot of talk of "engineering driven" design with Boeing taking a lot more work in house than they did on the 787.

Boeing's airplane is likely to be the superior product. They know how to build a narrow body platform VERY quickly and efficiently. The C Series might turn out to be just a tad too small to land in the fat part of the bell curve for replacement narrow body jets.

F&*K Boeing. They should merge with TONKA and dominate the childrens toy market. Plastic junk.......

 

[CX880]

F&*K Boeing. They should merge with TONKA and dominate the childrens toy market. Plastic junk.......

F#ck you buddy. Did you know that the 747 can fly on 1 engine for hundreds of miles? Try that with your Windows Millennium operated A340.

 

[Ad Lib]

F&*K Boeing. They should merge with TONKA and dominate the childrens toy market. Plastic junk.......

Yeah, any airplane you fly should be built by General Dynamics Electric Boat Division. ... you call the C Series a tupperware crap tube and it is actually aluminum lithium.

Very similar technology to the 787 has already been flying for years as thrust reverser housings and engine cowlings. Earlier generation versions have been flying as flight control surfaces. I just worry that CFM will not flex as much as aluminum to take the edge off the crappy landing I seem to surprise everyone with once a year.

 

[CX880]

Ding,ding,ding
Winnah,winner,chicken dinnah! The average pilot today has a giant mangina, strike, oh no! I "I won't be able to have my new Toyota Sienna pu$$ywagon detailed" The last groups from WWII, and Viet Nam who have since retired, were the last ones to hold airlines feet to the fiscal fire. I do give exception to the guys from AA, Comair, UAL(2000 summer of love) and most recently the Spirit guys. Most everybody else go ahead get that Brazilian Wax to show off your manginas! Grow a pair, get a Corvette, Porsche or a Yamahopper R1 or anything stupid fast, that won't hold anything bigger than a frozen burrito and six pack of beer, and no Harleys don't count, you have to GO stupid fast, not sound like a rototiller with a fouled spark plug and broken muffler, this is about actually going fast or actually doing something, as opposed to just looking like or sounding like you are. Sorry hat guys this goes for you too, even the military guys hate them too, the only hats they need are helmets and watch caps.
Ok now I think I have hit just about every FI demographic , let's see hats spellers, regional, mainline, got em all!
PBR

Why are you so immune to that sweet Skywest koolaide? It's probably from all those years of meth and acid. Just let it penetrate your head.

By the way those guys in the Golden days where golden because they could be, airlines were regulated. Pilots were considered important. It all started to go down hill during deregulation, management made an experiment where they lowered salaries and still watched their pilots come to work. Time travel those "golden age" guys to to our time and watch them go at each others throats.

 

[Flyin2low]

Independence Air is getting them

 

[BrickTop]

F#ck you buddy. Did you know that the 747 can fly on 1 engine for 8 hours? Try that with your Windows Millennium operated A340.

747 was a flagship along with the 727, 757,707. Boeing aircraft lost their ball$ when they abandoned 50 yrs of perfecting aircraft manufacturing for a plastic dild0. Composite material is NOT for a machine used in ever changing environments of humidity, temperature, moisture, impact. Watch this project ruin Boeing if not destroy its reputation as a builder of reliable aircraft. Look how desperate they are to file lawsuits claiming Airbus unfairly won the military contract by receiving European government funding. They are trying to exploit a technicality. Four words to ponder: Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglas. But they don't build them like that anymore.

 

[CX880]

747 was a flagship along with the 727, 757,707. Boeing aircraft lost their ball$ when they abandoned 50 yrs of perfecting aircraft manufacturing for a plastic dild0. Composite material is NOT for a machine used in ever changing environments of humidity, temperature, moisture, impact. Watch this project ruin Boeing if not destroy its reputation as a builder of reliable aircraft. Look how desperate they are to file lawsuits claiming Airbus unfairly won the military contract by receiving European government funding. They are trying to exploit a technicality. Four words to ponder: Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglas. But they don't build them like that anymore.

You mean to tell everyone that the Boeing company is hoping to put all of its worth on something that's not tried and tested for changing environments of humidity, temp, moisture, impact??? You should go and apply to be the CEO of Boeing because it sounds like you know better.