C-Series announcement expected

[chqflyer]

They're gonna announce a two year delay because they just found some design flaw that causes the wings to spontaneously fall off if someone farts too vigorously in the forward lav. Just my guess.

 

[GeekMaster]

I'm guessing Qatar Airways.

 

[Sherpa]

No they don't, they have an intent if they find flying.

Trans States has firm orders for 50 aircraft and options for 50 more, says Mitsubishi.

 

[CX880]

Trans States has firm orders for 50 aircraft and options for 50 more, says Mitsubishi.

That's not entirely true. TSH has an LOI(letter of intent) to do the above.

Wikkipedia: LOIs resemble written contracts, but are usually not binding on the parties in their entirety. Many LOIs, however, contain provisions that are binding, such as non-disclosure agreements, a covenant to negotiate in good faith, or a "stand-still" or "no-shop" provision promising exclusive rights to negotiate. A LOI may also be interpreted as binding the parties if it too closely resembles a formal contract.

And if you think about it, it makes sense. Why would a podunk regional purchase 50+ MRJs with no flying for them? Are they going to open up a new lcc and call it Jets Blues Airways?

 

[Sherpa]

True dat but they figure this is a fleet replacement aircraft order, not a growth order for additional flying. In theory they do have flying for them with the wiggle room to adapt the configuration to meet scope or pull a Brian Bedford.

"TSH vice-president of scheduling Fred Oxley told Flightglobal earlier this month that the first quarter of 2014 is the target to allow the MRJs to replace aircraft operating under existing capacity purchase agreements between regionals and US majors."

 

[CX880]

True dat but they figure this is a fleet replacement aircraft order, not a growth order for additional flying.

"TSH vice-president of scheduling Fred Oxley told Flightglobal earlier this month that the first quarter of 2014 is the target to allow the MRJs to replace aircraft operating under existing capacity purchase agreements between regionals and US majors."

They're talking about industry, not company airplanes. They expect 100+ seaters to be flown by regionals by 2014.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hope it's Skywest! Somebody needs to help put the new United's 'Classic' Guppies into the desert just as they did at old United. And after all upgrade is pushing well past 3 years for those guys!

Who are you kidding? Chipaway has the answer, messa 50 seaters parked in the desert, he don't need no stinking "C" series, his secret profit source is removing all the employee benefits, al la Mesa. Him and JO play golf in Pebble Beach regularly, Chipaway will routinely bet 1000s against JO, he laughs when he knocks one into the rough, stating "what do I care, its just a CAT scan for some crummy pilots sick baby, wanna double or nothing?" Skywest has peaked, chipaway couldn't get a hand job in Vegas, with a fist full of hundies.
We are all skrewed.
PBR

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I thought Trans MistakeSs was the first to order?

They were the launch customer for the MRJ

 

[ACL65PILOT]

With the fact that the CASM is to be that of a 787, it will be really hard for any airline exec to sell this sale to the "National" airlines. They may but, with that casm it should be the at mainline.

 

[Erlanger]

Not much on the announcement front today from Bombardier.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/837372--will-bombardier-unveil-new-cseries-orders

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am sure they will get a few here at the show.

 

[polarpop]

Skywest has peaked, chipaway couldn't get a hand job in Vegas, with a fist full of hundies.
We are all skrewed.
PBR

You nailed it!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

I think its becoming clear that scope-creep is on most pilots' radar.

Just because the plane is manufactured by Bombardier doesn't restrict to the realm of contractors. Boeing and Airbus certainly seem to be on the bleeding edge of the 100-130 seat jet market with regard to new technology and airframes.

 

[Flyprdu]

This needs to be in the "airline" section...."regional" and "major" don't mean anything anymore....It's a mistake to differentiate by number of seats....

As long as airplanes are painted in another company's livery, and as long as regionals don't market, sell, or service customers in any significant way.... there will always be a huge difference.

Pilots in the majors now have hopefully lived through and have been personally affected to the toxic ramifications of scope relief, and will act accordingly. The regional gravy train has ended. How sad a realization for you.

On the bright side... you can someday tell your grandkids that you were involved with that awesome fad of the early 21st century... called "regional jets." It's kind of like bellbottom jeans and butterfly collars.

 

[johnpeace]

Pilots in the majors now have hopefully lived through and have been personally affected to the toxic ramifications of scope relief, and will act accordingly. The regional gravy train has ended. How sad a realization for you.

Right, because everyone knows it's the pilot labor groups that are the REAL force behind industry trends...

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Right, because everyone knows it's the pilot labor groups that are the REAL force behind industry trends...

Ding,ding,ding
Winnah,winner,chicken dinnah! The average pilot today has a giant mangina, strike, oh no! I "I won't be able to have my new Toyota Sienna pu$$ywagon detailed" The last groups from WWII, and Viet Nam who have since retired, were the last ones to hold airlines feet to the fiscal fire. I do give exception to the guys from AA, Comair, UAL(2000 summer of love) and most recently the Spirit guys. Most everybody else go ahead get that Brazilian Wax to show off your manginas! Grow a pair, get a Corvette, Porsche or a Yamahopper R1 or anything stupid fast, that won't hold anything bigger than a frozen burrito and six pack of beer, and no Harleys don't count, you have to GO stupid fast, not sound like a rototiller with a fouled spark plug and broken muffler, this is about actually going fast or actually doing something, as opposed to just looking like or sounding like you are. Sorry hat guys this goes for you too, even the military guys hate them too, the only hats they need are helmets and watch caps.
Ok now I think I have hit just about every FI demographic , let's see hats spellers, regional, mainline, got em all!
PBR

 

[Ad Lib]

One big question was answered at Farnborough ... how much growth potential does the C Series have? The wing and structure was built to top out at 150 seats, making this realistically a 125 to 130 seat jet in the configurations favored by most operators.

This means the jet is only barely a MD88 / 737 replacement. Sure, the CASM is so low that you could operate the type with higher frequencies, but the acquisition cost is going to be pretty high.

Boeing says their follow on to the 737 has been worked on extensively with Southwest Airlines and the white paper version of the airplane will be published this fall. There is a lot of talk of "engineering driven" design with Boeing taking a lot more work in house than they did on the 787.

Boeing's airplane is likely to be the superior product. They know how to build a narrow body platform VERY quickly and efficiently. The C Series might turn out to be just a tad too small to land in the fat part of the bell curve for replacement narrow body jets.

Also, long range systems don't scale down well. The reason Boeing cites for not building a mini 787 is that the systems would have to be completely redesigned.

For a systems comparison, ETOPS Certification:

75 Minutes - E175 / 195
180 Minutes - 737NG
330 Minutes - 777

 

[Ad Lib]

This needs to be in the "airline" section...."regional" and "major" don't mean anything anymore....It's a mistake to differentiate by number of seats....

Very true ...

Maybe the forums should be re-defined to "In Sourced" and "Out Sourced" labor.

 

[BrickTop]

One big question was answered at Farnborough ... how much growth potential does the C Series have? The wing and structure was built to top out at 150 seats, making this realistically a 125 to 130 seat jet in the configurations favored by most operators.

This means the jet is only barely a MD88 / 737 replacement. Sure, the CASM is so low that you could operate the type with higher frequencies, but the acquisition cost is going to be pretty high.

Boeing says their follow on to the 737 has been worked on extensively with Southwest Airlines and the white paper version of the airplane will be published this fall. There is a lot of talk of "engineering driven" design with Boeing taking a lot more work in house than they did on the 787.

Boeing's airplane is likely to be the superior product. They know how to build a narrow body platform VERY quickly and efficiently. The C Series might turn out to be just a tad too small to land in the fat part of the bell curve for replacement narrow body jets.

F&*K Boeing. They should merge with TONKA and dominate the childrens toy market. Plastic junk.......

 

[CX880]

F&*K Boeing. They should merge with TONKA and dominate the childrens toy market. Plastic junk.......

F#ck you buddy. Did you know that the 747 can fly on 1 engine for hundreds of miles? Try that with your Windows Millennium operated A340.