Bye Bye Woerthless

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Holy cow, John Travolta could dry his hair from the "Welcome Back, Kotter" days with all the hot air blowin' in this thread.

I know....

I need help...

 

[Lear70]

Lear/Jp4

How can you argue or ignore that increased membership particpation is limited or inconsequential?

I never said that. Those are YOUR words. I also never said I disagreed with you that pilots in general need to be involved, I simply believe more of them are educated on the issues and are involved than you give credit for.

Increased membership participation (self-education and voicing opinions and desires to reps) is always a good thing. Just need to avoid that "too many chiefs, not enough indians" thing...

These FI arguements are mexican stand offs cause I advocate greater involvment. You advicate better leadership.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

You can't control the leadership, only your own actions. So if you want to see action.. look in the mirror....

We're just going to have to agree to disagree... again.

We can only take so much "action" as individuals in our MEC. Our leaders are the ones who have to actually accomplish the changes - all we can do is remain involved and push, plead, prod, and poke leadership to take action, INDIVIDUAL members have no votes, no control, except during contract ratification; the rest of the time were are powerless to do anything except voice our concerns.

Change occurs at the top where control is at. You know it, I know it, everyone here knows it. The only way for individual members to effect anything is to vote to change the leadership at the top. Period.

Like what happened at the BOD meeting last week.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Looks like Live to fight another Day is working...

http://www.aviationplanning.com/Forecast2006Highlights.htm

[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Lucida]Labor: The Next Major Challenge [/FONT]
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[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Lucida]One of the emerging trends outlined at the conference is the pending labor challenge in the US airline industry.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Lucida]This time, it's not labor costs, per se, but the hurdles to attracting the professionals that the industry will need in the future. The post-9/11 cooperation between management and labor, while painful and at times contentious, has turned the industry around. That much said, as the industry recovers, which it is doing today, some of the sacrifices made by employees will need to be reversed, or else the industry will find itself in a world of hurt trying to attract professionals.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Lucida]This is already painfully obvious at the Small Jet Provider level. Pay and benefits are so low at some operators that one sometimes wonders if an orange jumpsuit was the employee's previous uniform. Service quality at some of these carriers has descended to the level that in some cases small communities are actually getting letters from companies stating they may not invest in new facilities in the region because of the quality of the air service. Not necessarily the level of air service - but the raw near-thuggery they witness or see passed off as "customer service" by some of these carriers. Point: airlines are becoming less of a career, and, at least in some cases at the SJP level, simply a stop on the burger-flipping circuit.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, Verdana, Lucida]At major carriers, the wrenching changes since 9/11 have indeed changed the industry, but at some point, those concessions made across the bargaining table will be under pressure to be reversed. The industry has changed, it is true. But to attract and retain quality staff in the future, there have to be incentives in the area of compensation. Keep an eye on this trend.[/FONT]

 

[Occam's Razor]

Rez,

Well done, lad.

Some of the trolls here are two dots below my tolerance glideslope, so I choose to ignore them. Others seem to think Duane is responsible for every ill in the industry. Naturally, they believe any gains achieved during his term(s) were due to stupendous effort by "cohesive pilot groups".

Duane lost the election because a few reps traded votes to get themselves a good deal. The Delta MEC were the big horse-traders. They surprised the whole BOD with a last-minute (previously unannounced) candidate for First-VP. That act put all the positions in play and deals were cut. It was ugly to watch.

 

[PCL_128]

I simply believe more of them are educated on the issues and are involved than you give credit for.

Sorry, but Rez's figures are accurate. The rank-and-file membership just isn't interested in attending Local Council meetings, voting on LEC Officers, contributing to ALPA-PAC, even reading the MEC & LEC newsletters. I'd be happy just to walk into the crew room and see at least half of the members wearing their ALPA pins.

Rez is exactly right. Change starts with the members, and the members can't effect change if they just aren't interested in getting involved or paying attention to their own careers.

 

[PCL_128]

Duane lost the election because a few reps traded votes to get themselves a good deal. The Delta MEC were the big horse-traders. They surprised the whole BOD with a last-minute (previously unannounced) candidate for First-VP. That act put all the positions in play and deals were cut. It was ugly to watch.

I agree that it was ugly to watch, but you can't just put the blame on the DAL MEC. Vote trading and back-door deals were going on among virtually all of the A-carriers.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I agree that it was ugly to watch, but you can't just put the blame on the DAL MEC. Vote trading and back-door deals were going on among virtually all of the A-carriers.

Good point! There was a lot of trading going on, and my fellow "legacy" pilots were the worst offenders.

I did like the Top Ten list from Day 1. The highlight of the meeting, to me.

What did you think?

 

[PCL_128]

Good point! There was a lot of trading going on, and my fellow "legacy" pilots were the worst offenders.

I did like the Top Ten list from Day 1. The highlight of the meeting, to me.

What did you think?

I really enjoyed it. Definitely didn't hold back! I was sitting behind the FredEx guys and they got a good laugh out of the DC-10 joke. :smash:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just watched the ALPA 2006 BOD opening remarks and the session on globalization and collective bargaining.

Good information... I am informed.

It can be found in the members only webpage on alpa.org

 

[PAA744]

Oh I miss the "good ol days' of yesturday." I now see my friend and pal "Errol Lloyd Johnstad" grieving for ALL of us - how we just could NOT do it and stay together. This has to be a very sad day for ALL pilots in general.
Sad day....
Very sad day....