Bush camp: 'It's war within weeks'

[sidesaddle]

still crying over the recount???

"he may be your president, but he's not mine" -VFR-on-top

What color is the the sky in your world? Did the Germans win WWII? Who won "your" 1984 presidential election? Are the Detroit Lions the reigning Superbowl Champs in "your world"? Did your Ute men's BBall team actually beat Kentucky and win "your" National Title?

Who is sitting in the Oval office right now? I'll give you a hint, its not Gore. Accept reality, VFR in-the-fog.

 

[FL000]

morph and sidesaddle--

You're both wasting your time. The people against whom you're arguing are as blind as a newborn opossum. Our country has officially and successfully been Oprahfied, or if you prefer another term, pussified.

Anyone who argues the "majority vote" factor in the last election bears no credibility in my book. We all know who received the most votes, and most of us are educated enough to understand the electoral college and why it is set up to work the way it did.

Save your breath. They have already forgotten why we're doing this. Perhaps if one of their wife or kids had been in the towers, or a plane or the Pentagon that day, they'd think differently.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: I can't believe this BULLS***!

Originally posted by morph
Like many other posts I would like to inform any assholes from even trying to contest this post. I think it would be a real mistake on your part. Just STFU and live with the facts!

Are you actually saying "don't argue with me because I'm right?" It was Friday night...how much had you had to drink before you posted this.

You want facts? Here're some facts:

(1) Bush's obsession with Saddam is distracting him from the larger threat. Iraq may or may not have a nuclear capability, but North Korea definitely does! All these troops, tanks, aircraft carriers, etc. should be headed west, not east.

(2) Loving your country does not...I repeat does not mean following the President blindly! If you can't understand that simple fact, you've got no business discussing such matters in an open forum. Furthermore, if someone believes the President is wrong, that doesn't mean that person goes around spitting on soldiers in airports. "Anti-war" is not the same as "anti-serviceman." I was a soldier once...must of us were anti-war. We just didn't organize marches.

(3) If Bush spent even half as much time and effort on the "War on Terror" as he has on Saddam, we might not have to worry about another 9/11. Regardless of who gave them the bomb, Al Queda would have a heck of a time nuking the Superbowl (or whatever) if they couldn't get the bomb in the country. We're sending most of our military to Iraq while our borders are leaking like sieve!

Bush basically told as at the outset of the "war" that most of it would be conducted in secret; that way, the public will never know when the government is screwing up or, worse, doing nothing at all to protect us from terrorism. (Do some reading about the TSA to find out how effective the "War on Terror" has been.) As much as I can't stand the French, they've been putting Al Queda operatives away almost every day. When was the last time we heard about the FBI doing anything other than chasing their own tails?

Originally posted by morph
All I can say is there are a lot of fuc$ed up Americans that are either blind or really fuc$ing stupid!

Yes...and thank you for demonstrating that fact so plainly.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Three US Administrations, over 11 years, have tried various diplomatic and military solutions in Iraq.

None have worked.

The 11-year "rush to war" continues.

 

[Tim47SIP]

ignorance1

vfr-YOU SIR ARE TRUELY OUT OF TOUCH!

Maybe if any of you people that really think the US is on the wrong road, you need to take a reality pill. You need to visit these very same countries and see the oppression. I have been to many of them. I think that all of the flag burners in this country should be sentenced to live in these countries for just one week to see just how bad our country is-Not! You could be killed in Iraq for writing the things you have written on this board if it were against SH. The truth is that we do have intel that can not be disclosed at this time for reasons above. Bush is also using a very well concieved scare tactic, but you all ready knew that didn't you. This economy was in the tank well before Bush took office. The problems we face are from eight years of moronic public opinion leadership.

The thing that makes me so pissed about the Bush bashers of this country are no matter what happens if it is bad, it is Bush's fault. Period. These same individuals that are complaining about war with Iraq are the EXACT same people that will BLAME Bush for not doing enough when NYC or LAX gets nuked.

Additionally, the problem with Korea is a very different one. We essentially have to go through China to get to North Korea. If China gives us the go ahead, then it is all over. Any of you morons (Bush bashers) know why we have 40,000+ troops stationed in south Korea? Ya, I thought so!

 

[Archer]

A ONE month war?

...repeat...a ONE month war?


DO you people EVER think of retaliation? Why do you think 9/11 happened? American foreign policy. Why do you think the middle easter conflict has been raging for 50 years? American foreign policy...why do you think Europe is about to go to war with Iraq? American foreign policy.

Why do you think Terrorism is going to devestate America and Britain and many other western countries once this war is begun?

American foreign policy.

Who's behind the american foreign policy?

only one person

Archer

 

[EagleRJ]

Archer, you're still in college, so you can be forgiven for being a little naiive.

Don't you think that if terrorist groups had the capacity to launch additional attacks, they already would have? They've been trying to as hard as they can since 9/11, but trouble is, they continue to deal with an acute staffing shortage, as well as interruption to their communication, funding, and supply. Nothing will change when we take Saddam out, except that one of the terrorists' sources for weapons, training, and money will be removed.

I think one month is realistic to complete the removal of Saddam. I doubt if more than the top 1% of the Iraqi people actually support him. The rest do simply because they will be shot if they don't. Most of his military leadership has been contacted directly by the US, and realize that when the shooting starts, they can either stand down, or they can go down with Saddam.

As for blaming GWB for poor foreign policy, he's only picking up the pieces. Who was it who's eight years of risk-adverse, poll-driven inaction allowed terrorist groups to train and grow undisturbed around the world?

 

[mar]

Nice one Morph!

Oh man, I almost fell for that one hook, line and sinker but your 7th point gave you away.

Very clever

 

[sidesaddle]

Middle East

Archer,

If you look at your history, I belive you will find that people in the Middle East have been fighting for slightly longer than Bush has been in office, even longer than 50 yrs, and actually a little longer than the USA has been in existence, like by thousands of years.

 

[Medeco]

Ok guys,

I'm gonna put my foot in this one a bit.

I find it interesting that those against the upcoming war think that those of us for it, and our president ,call us sheep.

God forbid an American stand up to a principle and stick to it like Bush, and those citizens who stand behind him.

The President is making strong statements, not because he is obsessed, but because Saddam H. needs to know that he is serious about what he says, hence massive troop movements. Words are not enough in this day. It's called standing up for America, even if lives are lost, it is well worth it.

Dont forget 911, EVER!

One day you college kids will grow up and start thinking for yourself, rather than listening to your liberal proffesors debate the issue in class.

How do I know this? Because I talked the same way as some of you on this board who are against this war. Then I grew up.

Ok, you say your not in college anymore? Then wise up.

Why can't you liberals see through the Tom Daschels and Dick G's? Have you not noticed that they argue the same BS all the time, yet do nothing to fix it?

Example: Democrats say Republicans are racist, yet when the time came for a new minority leader of the Senate, you did not see any black nominations, at a perfect time when T. Lott was sticking his foot in the mouth and made an issue.

I could go on with examples but that is not the issue here.

My final point is, you folks who are against war with Iraq, only cry about how bad things are, but have ZERO solutions(Democrat).

Bush has a solution, and it is to rid the world of Evil like Saddam, and Osama, and North Korea's "leader".

Evil: those who starve there people, murder there people, and fly planes into buildings, tie bombs to teenagers and tell them they will be with god if they commit suicide.

Wake up folks!

Those of you who served this country in the military, THANK YOU!

 

[VFR on Top]

I'M out of touch? Don't make me laugh.

Those who continue to believe that going after Saddam has anything whatsoever to do with 9/11, or UN resolutions, or oppression of the people in some third world sh!thole need to get real. This is about settling a family score, and Jewish money. Period, end of story. "Jewish money?!", you say? Yeah. Who's at risk if Saddam actually does possess WMD? Not the U.S., but Israel.

And Sidesaddle, don't be a moron; of course I know who is president and how he got there. The fact remains, more Americans voted for the other guy's values, policies and beliefs.

These same individuals that are complaining about war with Iraq are the EXACT same people that will BLAME Bush for not doing enough when NYC or LAX gets nuked.

And that blame will be justly deserved. Should such a tragedy happen(God forbid), Iraq won't have had anything to do with it. Saddam isn't THAT stupid. He knows full well that if he ever did such a thing, his entire stinking country would be reduced to a glowing glass parking lot overnight. As I've said, the Bush administration has done everything in its power to try to tie Saddam to 9/11 and come up empty-handed. Why? Because Saddam has been in Bush's sights since he took office. His problem has been--continues to be--justifying it to the American people and the world at large. As we're seeing, he's apparently decided that what either group thinks doesn't really matter.

Like I said, the silver lining to this is that if Bush presses ahead with this foolishness, we WILL have a new president in two years.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: ignorance1

Maybe if any of you people that really think the US is on the wrong road, you need to take a reality pill. I think that all of the flag burners in this country should be sentenced to live in these countries for just one week to see just how bad our country is-Not!

I'm getting sick of reading crap like this. Are you people trying to say that anyone who disagrees with the President is a flag-burner? You think it's un-American to disagree with the Administration? You think it's a sin to not follow our government wherever it wants us to go?

I've noticed nobody brings up this conservative "flag-burning" garbage when we're talking about the TSA or the IRS. Is it okay to criticize some parts of the Administration, but not all of it? Who establishes those rules?

I've also noticed that when Clinton was screwing up, none of you guys were hollaring "let's stand united behind our President!" I guess it's okay to criticize Democratic presidents, since we all know that Republican presidents sit at the right hand of God...men like Richard Nixon. He certainly never lied to anyone!

(Don't get me wrong; I think Nixon was a very good president...but let's not kid ourselves.)

If George II has got conclusive, real proof that Saddam needs to go down now, then let's see it. Now. It was easy with Pearl Harbor. The "War on Terror" is another animal altogether. Any President who tries to fight it in complete secrecy is gonna lose. At the very least, George II's verbal war with Iraq has been the worst public relations disaster since "I didn't inhale."

Do I think I could do a better job than George II? Yes, I do. My first priorities would be making the continental U.S. impervious to attack. That means, in part, closing the borders the way we did in 1941-45. If this is a war, let's start acting like it. After that's done, then we can deal with Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, or anybody else. Anybody who's ever been in a fist fight knows you don't strike without keeping your guard up.

Yes, it would be expensive. Ask the 3,000 who died September the 11th if it would be worth it.

Bottom line: I love my country, and I want a President who is committed to defending it...not the empty suit we're stuck with today.

 

[morph]

VFR on top?

I see what you’re saying and all but.... The asshole (S.H.) has still been breaking rules! How long will we wait? How long should we wait? If a jackass like usama can organize an attack like 9/11, what is S.H. capable of pulling off? You say he has no resources? Maybe not yet but how long can we wait? He doesn’t want those scientists even touched, umm interesting! So I can see why some people in America are upset with war and all but we can't wait any longer. Period!

As far as N.K. and China goes, yes they are a treat but they can be dealt with in the coming months. S.H. needs to be gone and that’s it.

I didn't mean to disrespect any readers with my last post but sometimes you have to get nasty to get results...

 

[Typhoon1244]

Those of you who served this country in the military, THANK YOU!

You're welcome.

One day you college kids will grow up and start thinking for yourself, rather than listening to your liberal proffesors debate the issue in class.

So...you want us to stop blindly following liberal professors and start blindly following conservative politicians?

My final point is, you folks who are against war with Iraq, only cry about how bad things are, but have ZERO solutions.

No, I have a solution. I've said it over and over and over. It goes something like this: if the "War on Terror" really is a war, let's start treating it like one! Let's get our priorities straight. Protecting this country of ours comes FIRST!

Iraq, Korea, Trent Lott, regime change, tax refunds, age 60 retirement, abortion, American Idol, getting re-elected...not one of these things is more important than ensuring that September 11th can't happen again. If America in 2003 doesn't look a lot like America in 1942, then we're not serious about terrorism. It's as simple as that.

 

[Medeco]

You're welcome.So...you want us to stop blindly following liberal professors and start blindly following conservative politicians?No, I have a solution. I've said it over and over and over. It goes something like this: if the "War on Terror" really is a war, let's start treating it like one! Let's get our priorities straight. Protecting this country of ours comes FIRST!

Iraq, Korea, Trent Lott, regime change, tax refunds, age 60 retirement, abortion, American Idol, getting re-elected...not one of these things is more important than ensuring that September 11th can't happen again. If America in 2003 doesn't look a lot like America in 1942, then we're not serious about terrorism. It's as simple as that.

No Dont follow conservatives, follow what is right, and this time conservatives happen to be on the correct side.

Your entitled to your opinion, I happen to think it is short sighted.

I agree we need to get on with it but you don't just get in the plane and hit start and take off with out completing a checklist, this checklist happens to have a flow that is very long.

Protecting our borders should be high on the list but our Allies are very important to our stability too.

Bush is doing what he can with taxes.

Lott is out for the most part. Thank God.

And Simon Rocks!!

See you on line!! we could have some great debates and still be friends.

 

[John Wayne]

another take

After reading this thread I felt I should wade in to see how the waters were. I am a"Bush supporter", and I think I have a different spin on this .

I read further up on this thread that a poster thought that the North Koreans were the major threat and that the Iraqi threat was minimal at best. (more or less) I agree with this statement to some degree. I think that the U.S.A. could solve both issues at the same time though .

I would submit that, from a tactical standpoint, it would make sense to support an Israeli led "culling of the herd" so to speak. The Israeli forces,intelligence, and government are MORE than able, and I would guess more than willing, to invite Saddam Huessien, and any one else of his ilk , to meet Allah face to face.

A large infusion of funds and equipment as well as some special forces units from the U.S.A. would help to ensure Israeli success. Their experience would also help our special forces units to develop curricula to implement in their training.

I think that the Israeli's would do a remarkable job "mopping up" in Iraq. If they feel frisky enough I say let them take out Iran as well. You know we will just be heading there sooner or later any way. I am of the opinion that it is time for the Israeli's to have unfettered and unrestrained opportunity to eliminate their terrorist threats.

All this would then free us up to take care of the North Korean issue. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Twist their arm economicly. "loose the nukes or starve" "call it what ever you want, act of war ..whatever, loose the nukes or starve"

Bolster the flight crews we have in Japan,Diego Garcia et.al Move a division or two of Marines to the DMZ with REALISTIC rules of engagement,and loaded cartridge magizines. Start making moves that will send a VERY CLEAR SIGNAL to Pyongyang that we are "Not their fathers USA." We are taking the threat of atomic blackmail VERY SERIOUSLY.

If at this point they want to play hardball, l suggest a dash of F117A and a sprinkle of fuel Air Bomb.

I am sorry, but the thought of anything good comming out of the U.N is just to much for me to swallow. Lets face it folks, for whatever reason, for better or for worse, we are on our own as a nation. Good,BAD, or indifferent, WE are the ones who will be taking it in the A$$ if WE just lay here pi$$ing in the air.

Just a thought...
J.W.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: another take

I would submit that, from a tactical standpoint, it would make sense to support an Israeli led "culling of the herd" so to speak. The Israeli forces,intelligence, and government are MORE than able, and I would guess more than willing, to invite Saddam Huessien, and any one else of his ilk , to meet Allah face to face.

A large infusion of funds and equipment as well as some special forces units from the U.S.A. would help to ensure Israeli success. Their experience would also help our special forces units to develop curricula to implement in their training.

I find this idea appealing. The down side is that such a massive infusion of support for Israel would make us an even bigger target for Islamic terrorists. If, on the other hand, we armed the he_l out of the Israelies over a couple of years and then never sent them another dime (i.e. no more Middle Eastern involvement for the U.S.), that might do the trick.

Even if you are a Bush "sheep" (just kidding!), I think you've got a teriffic idea...nobody'll go for it, though.

By the way, loved you in Big Jake!

 

[FalconPilot69]

I have struggeled with making a reply to the various posts, so like it or not, I am going to make some observations and comments.

First and foremost, I too wish to thank all of those who do and have served in the armed forces for our country. Without you, none of us could do what we are doing now.

Second, has there ever been peace in the middle east? I don't believe so.

Third, why is nobody mentioning Saudi Arabia? I am sure I am wrong on the exact numbers, but wasn't 15 of the 20 9/11 hijackers Saudi's? Is it not Saudi Arabia who has been buying television time to tell us how great of friends they are to us but refuse to allow us to use bases in thier country for any attacks on Iraq?

Fourth, we did not get S.H. the first time, we can't get a 6' 4" middle eastern man on dialisys, what makes us think we can get S.H. anyway? For all we know, he is already out of the country.

Fifth, and I am sure some people will have serious issues with this, but if you burn the flag, then lets burn you.

Sixth, I agree with earlier posts regarding locking down our borders. But, I believe we need to take it one step further. I.D everyone that is already in the country. It has already been proven that there are "sleeper cells" here in the country, so lets not wait for them, but go after them all. To do this though, it also encompasses, blacks, whites, asians, native americans, hispanics and any and all foreign nationals. Timothy McVeigh and John Walker Lindh have proven this is not just a Middle Easter issue. I don't know how we can successfully do this, but at least the ones that are here are captured.

For the record, I am neither a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Independent or Anarchist. I love my country but hate the govenment for what is has become. Although the leaders of this country are elected by the people, I don't care what party you represent, whoever has the biggest contributions win. I also agree with everyone on this post regarding Iraq. S.H. needs to go because he is trouble, however, Dubya was talking the elimination of S.H. from the moment he announced his intent to run. This makes me question his motive. And as far as a change in leadership in Iraq or any other country, if the people of whatever country want it, then they need to make it happen. History has proven that if individuals want to make a change, they can. Case in point, a group of individuals did this in the 1700's when they were known as the colonies. Anyone remember?

At some point we must realize that others don't want democracy. What right do we have as a nation and a people to tell others how they should live their lives?

 

[mar]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH!!

<<I am neither a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Independent or Anarchist>>

Blah, Blah, Blah.

I just like to listen to myself talk in circular arguements...

I really have no nothing of substance to contribute...

I'm actually incapable of critical thought...

Yeah. Let's burn all the flag burners.

In fact: Let's cancel all of the postal workers that cancel stamps depicting the American flag.

Not only that: Let's pee on people that wear American flag underwear.

What else? Oh yes...! Let's throw away all the people that throw away those nifty Fourth of July flyers that come in the paper.

See what I'm saying about sheep? Learn to think CRITICALLY!

Thank you for the most useless post of this thread.

 

[morph]

Mar=?

Mar your just an @sshole trying to get in the conversation. If you have nothing positive to say then keep your fagg*t ass off the post! I think you should win for most useless post. Mar=Jack@ss!