Bush camp: 'It's war within weeks'

[VFR on Top]

I'M out of touch? Don't make me laugh.

Those who continue to believe that going after Saddam has anything whatsoever to do with 9/11, or UN resolutions, or oppression of the people in some third world sh!thole need to get real. This is about settling a family score, and Jewish money. Period, end of story. "Jewish money?!", you say? Yeah. Who's at risk if Saddam actually does possess WMD? Not the U.S., but Israel.

And Sidesaddle, don't be a moron; of course I know who is president and how he got there. The fact remains, more Americans voted for the other guy's values, policies and beliefs.

These same individuals that are complaining about war with Iraq are the EXACT same people that will BLAME Bush for not doing enough when NYC or LAX gets nuked.

And that blame will be justly deserved. Should such a tragedy happen(God forbid), Iraq won't have had anything to do with it. Saddam isn't THAT stupid. He knows full well that if he ever did such a thing, his entire stinking country would be reduced to a glowing glass parking lot overnight. As I've said, the Bush administration has done everything in its power to try to tie Saddam to 9/11 and come up empty-handed. Why? Because Saddam has been in Bush's sights since he took office. His problem has been--continues to be--justifying it to the American people and the world at large. As we're seeing, he's apparently decided that what either group thinks doesn't really matter.

Like I said, the silver lining to this is that if Bush presses ahead with this foolishness, we WILL have a new president in two years.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: ignorance1

Maybe if any of you people that really think the US is on the wrong road, you need to take a reality pill. I think that all of the flag burners in this country should be sentenced to live in these countries for just one week to see just how bad our country is-Not!

I'm getting sick of reading crap like this. Are you people trying to say that anyone who disagrees with the President is a flag-burner? You think it's un-American to disagree with the Administration? You think it's a sin to not follow our government wherever it wants us to go?

I've noticed nobody brings up this conservative "flag-burning" garbage when we're talking about the TSA or the IRS. Is it okay to criticize some parts of the Administration, but not all of it? Who establishes those rules?

I've also noticed that when Clinton was screwing up, none of you guys were hollaring "let's stand united behind our President!" I guess it's okay to criticize Democratic presidents, since we all know that Republican presidents sit at the right hand of God...men like Richard Nixon. He certainly never lied to anyone!

(Don't get me wrong; I think Nixon was a very good president...but let's not kid ourselves.)

If George II has got conclusive, real proof that Saddam needs to go down now, then let's see it. Now. It was easy with Pearl Harbor. The "War on Terror" is another animal altogether. Any President who tries to fight it in complete secrecy is gonna lose. At the very least, George II's verbal war with Iraq has been the worst public relations disaster since "I didn't inhale."

Do I think I could do a better job than George II? Yes, I do. My first priorities would be making the continental U.S. impervious to attack. That means, in part, closing the borders the way we did in 1941-45. If this is a war, let's start acting like it. After that's done, then we can deal with Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, or anybody else. Anybody who's ever been in a fist fight knows you don't strike without keeping your guard up.

Yes, it would be expensive. Ask the 3,000 who died September the 11th if it would be worth it.

Bottom line: I love my country, and I want a President who is committed to defending it...not the empty suit we're stuck with today.

 

[morph]

VFR on top?

I see what you’re saying and all but.... The asshole (S.H.) has still been breaking rules! How long will we wait? How long should we wait? If a jackass like usama can organize an attack like 9/11, what is S.H. capable of pulling off? You say he has no resources? Maybe not yet but how long can we wait? He doesn’t want those scientists even touched, umm interesting! So I can see why some people in America are upset with war and all but we can't wait any longer. Period!

As far as N.K. and China goes, yes they are a treat but they can be dealt with in the coming months. S.H. needs to be gone and that’s it.

I didn't mean to disrespect any readers with my last post but sometimes you have to get nasty to get results...

 

[Typhoon1244]

Those of you who served this country in the military, THANK YOU!

You're welcome.

One day you college kids will grow up and start thinking for yourself, rather than listening to your liberal proffesors debate the issue in class.

So...you want us to stop blindly following liberal professors and start blindly following conservative politicians?

My final point is, you folks who are against war with Iraq, only cry about how bad things are, but have ZERO solutions.

No, I have a solution. I've said it over and over and over. It goes something like this: if the "War on Terror" really is a war, let's start treating it like one! Let's get our priorities straight. Protecting this country of ours comes FIRST!

Iraq, Korea, Trent Lott, regime change, tax refunds, age 60 retirement, abortion, American Idol, getting re-elected...not one of these things is more important than ensuring that September 11th can't happen again. If America in 2003 doesn't look a lot like America in 1942, then we're not serious about terrorism. It's as simple as that.

 

[Medeco]

You're welcome.So...you want us to stop blindly following liberal professors and start blindly following conservative politicians?No, I have a solution. I've said it over and over and over. It goes something like this: if the "War on Terror" really is a war, let's start treating it like one! Let's get our priorities straight. Protecting this country of ours comes FIRST!

Iraq, Korea, Trent Lott, regime change, tax refunds, age 60 retirement, abortion, American Idol, getting re-elected...not one of these things is more important than ensuring that September 11th can't happen again. If America in 2003 doesn't look a lot like America in 1942, then we're not serious about terrorism. It's as simple as that.

No Dont follow conservatives, follow what is right, and this time conservatives happen to be on the correct side.

Your entitled to your opinion, I happen to think it is short sighted.

I agree we need to get on with it but you don't just get in the plane and hit start and take off with out completing a checklist, this checklist happens to have a flow that is very long.

Protecting our borders should be high on the list but our Allies are very important to our stability too.

Bush is doing what he can with taxes.

Lott is out for the most part. Thank God.

And Simon Rocks!!

See you on line!! we could have some great debates and still be friends.

 

[John Wayne]

another take

After reading this thread I felt I should wade in to see how the waters were. I am a"Bush supporter", and I think I have a different spin on this .

I read further up on this thread that a poster thought that the North Koreans were the major threat and that the Iraqi threat was minimal at best. (more or less) I agree with this statement to some degree. I think that the U.S.A. could solve both issues at the same time though .

I would submit that, from a tactical standpoint, it would make sense to support an Israeli led "culling of the herd" so to speak. The Israeli forces,intelligence, and government are MORE than able, and I would guess more than willing, to invite Saddam Huessien, and any one else of his ilk , to meet Allah face to face.

A large infusion of funds and equipment as well as some special forces units from the U.S.A. would help to ensure Israeli success. Their experience would also help our special forces units to develop curricula to implement in their training.

I think that the Israeli's would do a remarkable job "mopping up" in Iraq. If they feel frisky enough I say let them take out Iran as well. You know we will just be heading there sooner or later any way. I am of the opinion that it is time for the Israeli's to have unfettered and unrestrained opportunity to eliminate their terrorist threats.

All this would then free us up to take care of the North Korean issue. No more Mr. Nice Guy. Twist their arm economicly. "loose the nukes or starve" "call it what ever you want, act of war ..whatever, loose the nukes or starve"

Bolster the flight crews we have in Japan,Diego Garcia et.al Move a division or two of Marines to the DMZ with REALISTIC rules of engagement,and loaded cartridge magizines. Start making moves that will send a VERY CLEAR SIGNAL to Pyongyang that we are "Not their fathers USA." We are taking the threat of atomic blackmail VERY SERIOUSLY.

If at this point they want to play hardball, l suggest a dash of F117A and a sprinkle of fuel Air Bomb.

I am sorry, but the thought of anything good comming out of the U.N is just to much for me to swallow. Lets face it folks, for whatever reason, for better or for worse, we are on our own as a nation. Good,BAD, or indifferent, WE are the ones who will be taking it in the A$$ if WE just lay here pi$$ing in the air.

Just a thought...
J.W.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: another take

I would submit that, from a tactical standpoint, it would make sense to support an Israeli led "culling of the herd" so to speak. The Israeli forces,intelligence, and government are MORE than able, and I would guess more than willing, to invite Saddam Huessien, and any one else of his ilk , to meet Allah face to face.

A large infusion of funds and equipment as well as some special forces units from the U.S.A. would help to ensure Israeli success. Their experience would also help our special forces units to develop curricula to implement in their training.

I find this idea appealing. The down side is that such a massive infusion of support for Israel would make us an even bigger target for Islamic terrorists. If, on the other hand, we armed the he_l out of the Israelies over a couple of years and then never sent them another dime (i.e. no more Middle Eastern involvement for the U.S.), that might do the trick.

Even if you are a Bush "sheep" (just kidding!), I think you've got a teriffic idea...nobody'll go for it, though.

By the way, loved you in Big Jake!

 

[FalconPilot69]

I have struggeled with making a reply to the various posts, so like it or not, I am going to make some observations and comments.

First and foremost, I too wish to thank all of those who do and have served in the armed forces for our country. Without you, none of us could do what we are doing now.

Second, has there ever been peace in the middle east? I don't believe so.

Third, why is nobody mentioning Saudi Arabia? I am sure I am wrong on the exact numbers, but wasn't 15 of the 20 9/11 hijackers Saudi's? Is it not Saudi Arabia who has been buying television time to tell us how great of friends they are to us but refuse to allow us to use bases in thier country for any attacks on Iraq?

Fourth, we did not get S.H. the first time, we can't get a 6' 4" middle eastern man on dialisys, what makes us think we can get S.H. anyway? For all we know, he is already out of the country.

Fifth, and I am sure some people will have serious issues with this, but if you burn the flag, then lets burn you.

Sixth, I agree with earlier posts regarding locking down our borders. But, I believe we need to take it one step further. I.D everyone that is already in the country. It has already been proven that there are "sleeper cells" here in the country, so lets not wait for them, but go after them all. To do this though, it also encompasses, blacks, whites, asians, native americans, hispanics and any and all foreign nationals. Timothy McVeigh and John Walker Lindh have proven this is not just a Middle Easter issue. I don't know how we can successfully do this, but at least the ones that are here are captured.

For the record, I am neither a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Independent or Anarchist. I love my country but hate the govenment for what is has become. Although the leaders of this country are elected by the people, I don't care what party you represent, whoever has the biggest contributions win. I also agree with everyone on this post regarding Iraq. S.H. needs to go because he is trouble, however, Dubya was talking the elimination of S.H. from the moment he announced his intent to run. This makes me question his motive. And as far as a change in leadership in Iraq or any other country, if the people of whatever country want it, then they need to make it happen. History has proven that if individuals want to make a change, they can. Case in point, a group of individuals did this in the 1700's when they were known as the colonies. Anyone remember?

At some point we must realize that others don't want democracy. What right do we have as a nation and a people to tell others how they should live their lives?

 

[mar]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH!!

<<I am neither a Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Independent or Anarchist>>

Blah, Blah, Blah.

I just like to listen to myself talk in circular arguements...

I really have no nothing of substance to contribute...

I'm actually incapable of critical thought...

Yeah. Let's burn all the flag burners.

In fact: Let's cancel all of the postal workers that cancel stamps depicting the American flag.

Not only that: Let's pee on people that wear American flag underwear.

What else? Oh yes...! Let's throw away all the people that throw away those nifty Fourth of July flyers that come in the paper.

See what I'm saying about sheep? Learn to think CRITICALLY!

Thank you for the most useless post of this thread.

 

[morph]

Mar=?

Mar your just an @sshole trying to get in the conversation. If you have nothing positive to say then keep your fagg*t ass off the post! I think you should win for most useless post. Mar=Jack@ss!

 

[VFR on Top]

Re: Re: another take

The down side is that such a massive infusion of support for Israel would make us an even bigger target for Islamic terrorists. If, on the other hand, we armed the he_l out of the Israelies over a couple of years and then never sent them another dime (i.e. no more Middle Eastern involvement for the U.S.), that might do the trick.

Even if you are a Bush "sheep" (just kidding!), I think you've got a teriffic idea...nobody'll go for it, though.

Typhoon, you're absolutely correct--on both points. Israel must be weaned off of the US. Unfortunately, it'll never happen; far too much Jewish money finds its way into campaign coffers every election year for that.

John Wayne, if you'll recall Gulf War 1, Saddam did everything in his power to draw Israel into the fight, while we did everything in our power to keep them out of it. Once Israel attacks an Arab country, all bets are off. We really don't want to get in the middle of another Arab-Israeli war.

Here's where I start to sound like a Libertarian: we are not the world's cops, it isn't up to us to right every wrong, to punish every country that breaks the rules. The US is not directly threatened by Saddam Hussein; the US military being deployed presently isn't going to fight for our freedom or our way of life. They're being sent to protect our "street cred", which this President Bush believes has been called into question. Our troops have my unwavering support, for many of them are close friends--but I deeply regret and resent their being used as pawns in such "bubba brinkmanship".

 

[CCDiscoB]

A Couple More Thoughts

You know, the lack of historical knowledge in America never ceases to amaze me.

Blame pop culture for that. Many would rather watch these new reality shows than read a book.

If George II goes to war, and if we lose any significant number of troops, and if Saddam responds by burning his oil wells and regular gas goes to $2.15 a gallon, there will be no second term for Bush. Period

Speaking of lack of historical knowledge. Troop loss will come mostly from accidents and unfortunately, friendly fire. Saddam has no army. If he did, you'd think he'd be deploying them to defend his country. As far as burning his oil wells, yes he would do that, but we won't let him. He is week one scenario. On Day One of the war Special Forces, Marines and Army Airborne will secure the refinaries and oil wells from attack. Once the oil fields are secure, air power will "soften"any remaining threat and the army will waltz to the outskirts of Baghdad. We'll remain there until Saddam is over thrown.

The Israeli forces,intelligence, and government are MORE than able, and I would guess more than willing, to invite Saddam Huessien, and any one else of his ilk , to meet Allah face to face

Unfortunately we cannot afford to have Israel in this conflict. It's a good idea and I'm know the Israeli's would easily handle any such mission, but Israel's involvement would risk destabilizing the region even further. We don't want to lose Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and (our best buddies ) the Saudi’s as our allies.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: A Couple More Thoughts

Speaking of lack of historical knowledge. Troop loss will come mostly from accidents and unfortunately, friendly fire. Saddam has no army.

True, but I think it's likely that he does have bio-chemical WMD's for local use. Maybe the fear of getting nuked would keep him from using them...

...but if an entire U.S. division gets clobbered with, say, VX on its way to Baghdad, it'll be a disaster for the White House.

I agree that we would probably prevail in any conflict with Iraq. Probably. The Japanese Fleet should have won the battle for Midway, too. Sh_t happens in war. Anyone who says we could take on Iraq with absolutely no losses due to hostile action just isn't facing reality.

 

[John Wayne]

Hold on I'm thinking

I see your points, guys, regarding Israel involvement in this. But lets look at this again. If we prop up Israel to the point that they are the dominant force in the region, then encourage them to whack any country in that region that is supportive of terrorist activities (i.e. Syeria,lebonon,Iran,Iraq, and yes even Saudi Arabia.) then we have something of a force multiplier. F**k the Saudis, If you really want to know how to end this sh*t, Just wipe Mecca and Medina off the face of the earth. That will pretty much put an end to the whole thing right there. The islamic world would rise up and do what we know they want to do right now any way. They will attack and we will respond in kind with the only negotiating tool these folks understand...overkill.

It may sound like I am advocating world conquest, but really all I am saying is that if you are a country in the world that wishes to support, train, house, and provide assistance to those who would attack us, you are dead meat. Why not let the Israeli military do that which they were created and trained to do. They will do it well, and they will do it right. Just pour the equipment into their country so that they will be the major force there. Any surrounding country gives them any flack...whack 'em.

Meanwhile we should be doing something about bolstering the South Korean government/military. Send those divisions of our nations finest fighting force...(The U.S.M.C. for all you soap merchants) Let Peyongyang know that if'in they want's to "Rock-n-Roll" that we and our little yellow friends will be more than happy to accomodate them in their lack of judgement.
For those of you who think that the Korean issue would be that much more difficult to deal with than Iraq, let me assure you that we are VERY READY and able to eliminate EVERYTHING north of the 38th. All those dip $hits would have to do is say the word and it is lights out time. Maybe not a month or less but for sure not a dragged out war. We also need to find one or two more countries in that region that will accecpt our $$$ and keep the North Koreans in check

If this country is going to send troops into the frey, than it had better be ready to GO ALL THE WAY. Waste every living thing that seeks to do us harm. No "bringing to justice, no war crimes, no Bull $hit." Blow through their countries with brute force. show these F**k's that if you shoot at me I will kill you. If you slap me I will kill you. If you mess with my family or friends, I will kill you. Death is all these folks understand. I say we give them what they really want. This war in no way has any simmilarity to those of our past. Therefore we must begin to think in terms of survial insted of politics. Screw what the other countries in the world think, screw what the U.N. wants us to do or not do, screw the french and the Germans. We are Americans. We have more credit on our AMEX then their entire GNP. We eat countries like them for breakfast and $hit them out before lunch. If they want to have a say in our policy decisions let them share in the risk. If they feel they have something worth talking about, let them talk... we will listen to what they have to say AFTER the smoke clears.

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm becoming a fan of Theodore Roosevelt more and more every day.

Pull out of EVERYWHERE, screw Saudis and Middle East, screw Korea, screw Europe.

Then rebuild our Air Force and bring the Navy back to 20 aircraft carriers plus accompanying force, and just sail the oceans. Our gas prices start going up, and we park a few aircraft carriers in or near the Gulf and have a couple of squadrons of B-2's orbiting around and say please OPEC, you need to increase the production and reduce the prices. Pretty please! Thank you.

North Korea tests a missile over Japan that we find threatening, we test an SLBM right over their Peninsula, and do the same thing, park a bunch of carriers and stuff there, and politely ask them to stop further testing.

I think ol' Teddy was onto something....