Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[pilotyip]

I give up. Enjoy your message board.

Don't give up there are two sides to every issue. Many do not have your courage to post what hey believe in the fact of constant union thuggery. The stuff f you say needed to be said. Many have the same worries you do but they prefer not to be publically flogged

 

[Diesel]

Don't give up there are two sides to every issue. Many do not have your courage to post what hey believe in the fact of constant union thuggery. The stuff f you say needed to be said. Many have the same worries you do but they prefer not to be publically flogged

So you support him being a scab? Good for you.

 

[realityman]

If people prefer not to be flogged then it should be a very simple decision to not be a scab.

This message board is pretty tame compared to what it'll be like for those who scab.

Now Yip, before you start lamenting "union thuggery", let me just tell you that right, wrong or otherwise that's just the way it is. So go ahead and decry those big old meany union folks. It will not change one thing about how scabs will be treated.

Funny thing is, those nasty old coercive union thugs are always the bad guys..............until they win, bringing the bar up and improving aviation for everyone. Then all of a sudden they're heroes and NO ONE wants anything to do with the scabs.

Even you, Yip, haven't talked about the honor and integrity of any scabs at any of the airlines where the union prevailed. Come on, no positive things to say about anyone who crossed the lines at United in the past? Delta? FedEx? All those places have great contracts, and likely to get better. Everyone wants to go there (anyone NOT aware they're union shops?). Who is on here saying "Thank heaven there were scabs who put their families first and "saved" the junior guys by fighting for the company's side even if they didn't win."? Or is everyone pretty happy that the unions at those places prevailed?

Given what we're trying to do it's amazing and borderline insane that anyone would support someone's decision to scab.

 

[gunfyter]

Good point Reality.

Has a company ever been saved by people crossing the line?

 

[pilotyip]

Good point Reality.Has a company ever been saved by people crossing the line?

Didn't the CAL scabs win in 1984? ALPA guys no longer worked for CAL, well unless they like many went back. The scabs worked a major the rest of thier lives, of course mixed in with New York Air and People's Express who never crossed a line.

Now Yip, before you start lamenting "union thuggery", let me just tell you that right, wrong or otherwise that's just the way it is. So go ahead and decry those big old meany union folks. It will not change one thing about how scabs will be treated.

Being a scab is nothing to be proud of and a burden that will be carried for the rest of someone's life. When given a chance by a guy in my reserve squadron to interview at CAL in 1983 while I was unemployed, I elected not to because it might ruin my career. He has not crossed a line therefore the word is out of line. But all opposition to the nuclear option must be suppressed. All that being said calling someone who is not a scab a scab is pure thuggery

So you support him being a scab? Good for you.

No I have never said that, as per above, but to use that language on someone who has not crossed a line, well is thuggery. What his decision and the consequences of his decision will be are something in the future. You have no idea what he will do, he could be playing you like a violin.

 

[Diesel]

Didn't the CAL scabs win in 1984? ALPA guys no longer worked for CAL, well unless they like many went back. The scabs worked a major the rest of thier lives, of course mixed in with New York Air and People's Express who never crossed a line.


Being a scab is nothing to be proud of and a burden that will be carried for the rest of someone's life. When given a chance by a guy in my reserve squadron to interview at CAL in 1983 while I was unemployed, I elected not to because it might ruin my career. He has not crossed a line therefore the word is out of line. But all opposition to the nuclear option must be suppressed. All that being said calling someone who is not a scab a scab is pure thuggery


No I have never said that, as per above, but to use that language on someone who has not crossed a line, well is thuggery. What his decision and the consequences of his decision will be are something in the future. You have no idea what he will do, he could be playing you like a violin.

You would think that but everyone knows he isn't.

When you start justifying the actions of a scab you e already made the decision and are just justifying.

Yip has already made his hatred of unions very clear. But your hatred of scabs I'm sure is on par because of your missed opportunities due to them.

G4 did you join the town hall meeting?

 

[pilotyip]

When you start justifying the actions of a scab you e already made the decision and are just justifying.

G4 is not a scab, he has not crossed aline, you have no idea when the bell rings what he will do, His stance is no more absurd than the 10250 stance, it is just the other side.

 

[Diesel]

When a pilot says they are considering it I don't need to know any more in my book. He's already proven he's weak and willing to go against his brothers for the betterment of himself.

If he doesn't follow through with it I will not consider myself to have won just that he didn't have the backbone to stand up to what he's been saying this whole time.

I know a lot of pilots have pulled him aside and asked him what he's thinking. The problem is he isn't thinking and hasn't been through one of these to understand the process and the road that it takes to get there.

We could have a contract tomorrow if it wasn't for posts like these that give the company some glimmer of hope that enough will cross if the time comes.

 

[T-1GUY]

G4 is not a scab, he has not crossed aline, you have no idea when the bell rings what he will do, His stance is no more absurd than the 10250 stance, it is just the other side.

Funny, the airline I went to the diiscussion at tax time was the problem over 1000+ pilots who exceeded 300K in base pay and how they were hitting the IRS limit on retirement tax exemptions and how we needed to increase the maximum (I think it is currently 53K per year).

That is over 1000+ exceeding 350K in compensation per year.

I know that you set your sights very low, but 10/250 is an average if not low number to shoot for.

 

[pilotyip]

I know that you set your sights very low, but 10/250 is an average if not low number to shoot for.

Yes my career has not hit the high notes to which you allude, there is an element of luck and timing in this career that play a role well beyond our ability to control. But as I approach the end of my career I have come to realize my sights are only low in others eyes. This country had been very good to me. I am very comfortable with my lot in life. I get great satisfaction from looking at the pilots I mentored and the friends I have made over the years. I am financially secure. I want for nothing. I am still married to my college sweetheart after 50 years. My kid and grand kids are successful. I am happy, what more it there in life?

BTW: As posted before I lived my childhood dream of being a Navy pilot, and that experience of a first tour junior officer in combat is something I would never trade for anything. If the tooth fairy came by and said I will guarantee you a career at DAL if you give up that experience as a Navy pilot, I would tell her pack sand.