Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[gunfyter]

NetJets pilots don't have hats.

I could start wearing a hat.

 

[G4dude]

I could start wearing a hat.

If NJA requires a hat, I will start my own picket line and coerce Diesel into honoring it.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Please tell me why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot.

You just keep beating that drum, don't you? I gave you a very lengthy response earlier, which you summed up by saying don't tell me about the company's problems or the economy.

Since that didn't work, lets try a different tack:

Please tell me why you think you are worth the same as a 777 or 747 pilot?

Because that's what I'm seeing when I look at the Delta payscales -http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta_air_lines

If you don't like that answer, then let me try another one - why did you choose to come to NetJets, knowing what the payscales were like and that they were not comparable to the airlines?

And please don't tell me you planned on changing them after you got here - that just sounds like those fools who move into a house next to the airport and then complain about the noise.

 

[Mooneymite]

I could start wearing a hat.

Netjets' hats would have to be better than ordinary hats worn by average pilots and skycaps. Purple-plumed hats would definitely set Netjets pilots "apart".

Like the British admiralty wore....

Hansell would be in awe.

 

[gunfyter]

Netjets' hats would have to be better than ordinary hats worn by average pilots and skycaps. Purple-plumed hats would definitely set Netjets pilots "apart".

Like the British admiralty wore....

Hansell would be in awe.

I'm thinking one of those bellboy hats from a 1940's Bogart movie.

 

[gunfyter]

Cargo-carrier Ameriflight has found that many new-hire pilots require additional training, often another week?s worth. ?The quality of pilot candidates has degraded to where we have to completely change our training program,? said Ameriflight president Andrew Lotter. ?We have to do remedial training. Situational awareness and IFR proficiency is where they?re deficient.?

FamilyGuy,

I just pulled this out of the AIN.

i think this issue is heading our way and that's why they have to pay.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...rtage-turns-crisis-among-small-cargo-carriers

 

[FamilyGuy]

FamilyGuy,

I just pulled this out of the AIN.

i think this issue is heading our way and that's why they have to pay.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...rtage-turns-crisis-among-small-cargo-carriers

Thank you.

That's the kind of information you need to provide in this fight - cold hard facts. People have been talking about the looming pilot shortage for years now (anyone else remember the talk about an ab initio program at NJ?). The recession in 2008 and the increase in the mandatory retirement age for the airlines delayed it for a few years, but I do agree it is coming.

Delta is projecting over 800 mandatory retirements each year starting six years from now, so the onus is on mgmt to get ahead of the issue and retain the pilots they need to keep this company going.

I'm not sure that you guys will match airline pay, but an increase is definitely in order. The EMT would help themselves and the company if they'd start focusing on taking care of their employees rather than thinking solely of shareholder return. It should always be a balance between the needs of the customers, employees, and shareholders.

All that said, this EMT has shown repeatedly that they can't see farther than 3 months ahead, so they will probably start thinking about this issue 5 years from now.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Great attitude. You should lead with that and put it on the picket signs at the next event. I'm sure it will strike just the right chord.

Yes, you have a skill set, and a more advanced one than some other people, but it is still just a skill set, and you shouldn't be denigrating other people's contribution to the finished product. Much like you wouldn't want me flying the plane, we probably wouldn't want you fixing the planes, or doing the scheduling or the accounting. Everyone contributes their own unique skill set and the finished product is better with everyone focusing on their specialty.

That said, companies focus their resources on solving the biggest, most intransigent and expensive problems. Automation is coming for many professions and I'm amazed at how far drones and self driving cars have come in the last ten years. They aren't ready for prime time yet, but I'm willing to bet they will in my lifetime.

Hey, Mark, thanks for coming by my office in Gahanna yesterday. I appreciate the Labor/management cooperation that can be acheived when it can be.

See you around the campus, amigo.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Hey, Mark, thanks for coming by my office in Gahanna yesterday. I appreciate the Labor/management cooperation that can be acheived when it can be.

See you around the campus, amigo.

Sorry Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

 

[BlueNose]

Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

Well, the game is afoot. I'll take anal bum cover for 7,000.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Well, the game is afoot. I'll take anal bum cover for 7,000.

Nobody appreciates a good movie quote anymore.

 

[fischman]

Sorry Hans, wrong guess. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

Come on man. Everyone knows. Please do be careful. I like you, believe you are a good person, and would hate to see what happened to Twinkie to happen to you.

 

[fischman]

You just keep beating that drum, don't you? I gave you a very lengthy response earlier, which you summed up by saying don't tell me about the company's problems or the economy.

Since that didn't work, lets try a different tack:

Please tell me why you think you are worth the same as a 777 or 747 pilot?

Because that's what I'm seeing when I look at the Delta payscales -http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta_air_lines

If you don't like that answer, then let me try another one - why did you choose to come to NetJets, knowing what the payscales were like and that they were not comparable to the airlines?

And please don't tell me you planned on changing them after you got here - that just sounds like those fools who move into a house next to the airport and then complain about the noise.

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

 

[Diesel]

If NJA requires a hat, I will start my own picket line and coerce Diesel into honoring it.

Unlike you I would actually honor a picket line.

 

[msculley6905]

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

 

[SCT]

'there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.'

Sculley, I agree that pilot market will drive wages but at the end of the day a pilot's worth is what a company/person is willing to pay the pilot. I joked w- my boss that I'm worth a cool half mil....but he didn't agree.

 

[Willy21]

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? It has been my experience that a NetJets pilot commutes to and from their airplane. Is it positive space, yes. Is it time on the company clock, yes. Is it on my schedule, no. On go home day I am always spending time waiting on schedueling's plan. At the airline I was on my own. This is a toss-up to me. How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? The time of counting hotel, airline and credit card points as a benefit has come and gone. When I was a new hire about 100,000 Hilton points got you a week in Kona. Lately I have seen one night in the Hampton Inn go for 75,000 points. The credit card Points at one time were a good deal. Not so much now. Increase my compensation to the legacy airline and you can keep the points.How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

If you like constantly looking over your shoulder wondering if the decision you made (the right, legal and ethical decision) is going to get you a carpet dance then NetJets has a lot of perks for you to enjoy. This is now just a job with a paycheck, nothing more.

At one time NetJets made you feel like you were making a difference. That time has come and gone. You are now a number, that is it. If I am going to spend the rest of my career as a number I want the compensation of a legacy pilot. Anything less and I walk.

 

[T-1GUY]

Not all legacy pilots commute. Right now the movement is so quick. I commuted for three whole trips. I now drive into work thirty minutes from the house.

 

[gunfyter]

there is no good way to answer that question, since, yes, most skills are the same, but the businesses are different. Ultimately, the market for pilots determines your worth.

Now for you, how much value to you put in not having to commute? How much value is there for you in keeping hotel points and airline miles? How much do you value the "perks" of working for NJ?

Zero.

I'll commute or move for SWA +1%. Buy my own hotels and airlines

How much value does the company put on not having to airline everyone or ferry planes to and from CMH?

 

[FamilyGuy]

Wrong. You gave me a lengthy excuse of what the company is challenged with.

I'm asking SPECIFICALLY why I'm worth 60% of a Delta pilot. EXACTLY WHY should I be happy taking a lower salary for more work? Why I chose to come to NetJets is not anyone's business but my own.

You obviously came here knowing what the payscales were like, so Why? Why did you come here in the first place, and why do you stay? Sounds like you've already accepted 60% of the Delta rate - Why? And why do you keep taking it for every paycheck?

If you don't care to share why you agreed to sell yourself short in the first place, then why do you keep harping about it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again - I think you guys are worth more than you are currently getting, especially with the degraded QOL. I also don't think you'll get mainline airline pay. I think its great that you go for it, but if it doesn't happen what are you going to do?