Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[fischman]

G4 is not a scab, he has not crossed aline, you have no idea when the bell rings what he will do, His stance is no more absurd than the 10250 stance, it is just the other side.

BK two years later?

Ok. I'll make it simple for you.

1) "How do you figure?" As in: give me numbers. If you can't, your opinion is invalid. Since you don't have a clue what you're talking about and don't have access to any numbers, I'm standing by for your highly detailed analysis.

2) A BRK company in bankruptcy? HAAAHAHAHGAAHGGAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

BWAAAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Whew. That is funny.

Not gonna happen. WB will intervene long before as he did with Santulli.

What numbers ?

These numbers. Please explain why 10/250 is absurd. I want numbers. Actual figures to show why this is absurd. To do otherwise makes you opinion invalid.

 

[BentOver]

YIP is like that couple who give parenting advice, BUT HAVE NO KIDS....

Or career advice even though his claim to fame was a well known and respectable company called Zantop... Meanwhile he alludes to the fact that all his "buddies" took the risk to go to FedEx..

To me, Yip is that last person on Earth to be giving career advice.

 

[pilotyip]

To me, Yip is that last person on Earth to be giving career advice.

Well except all those guys now at NJ, SWA, DAL, JB, Spirit who listened to my advice where I helped them get that first jet job. A place where they could build TJ PIC in a solid training environment. They remain my friends, although many of them think I am crazy for exposing myself to the stuff thrown at me here.

 

[gunfyter]

They are now at ... Union carriers?

What a coincidence

 

[T-1GUY]

Boom!

 

[BentOver]

Well except all those guys now at NJ, SWA, DAL, JB, Spirit who listened to my advice where I helped them get that first jet job. A place where they could build TJ PIC in a solid training environment. They remain my friends, although many of them think I am crazy for exposing myself to the stuff thrown at me here.

So you are saying that without you they never would have made the decision to leave JUS for the places you mentioned....you must give really good advice.

Put it this way: If one of my kids wanted to be a pilot you are the last person I'd let them take career advice from. They would probably end up with a high school education ( or GED...who knows) bend over for management. Never expect to be paid for their expertise, and always just be content with being ridden hard and put away wet. Basically, have no backbone in the face of adversity. Not how I raise my kids BTW.

 

[Diesel]

YIP is like that couple who give parenting advice, BUT HAVE NO KIDS....



Or career advice even though his claim to fame was a well known and respectable company called Zantop... Meanwhile he alludes to the fact that all his "buddies" took the risk to go to FedEx..



To me, Yip is that last person on Earth to be giving career advice.

Lol he's the guy that says look at all my friends who took my great advice.......

Yet never took any of his own or had the courage his friends did.

Thus where he is now and where is friends are now.

You think his friends bitch about the union's like he does? Considering they are all working under union contracts. They probably just let him ramble on but in the end they know where their bread is buttered.

Why he keeps comings to the fractional forum is beyond me. He has nothing to do with it. You don't see him in the majors forum screaming how bad the unions are? He would get lit up.

Nope like his career he's playing the safe don't make waves option.

 

[ghostrider64]

10/250 is unrealistic? Get a clue, we already have pilots at netjets making that!

 

[pilotyip]

10/250 is unrealistic? Get a clue, we already have pilots at netjets making that!

Making $250K after 10 years? Then how come diesel is only making $85K after 15 years?

 

[gunfyter]

Do we even have Captains with only 10 years?

 

[Diesel]

Making $250K after 10 years? Then how come diesel is only making $85K after 15 years?

As you know I'm a capped FO.

Oh you remembered that it just didn't fit your, "why should anyone make more than me."

 

[pilotyip]

Oh you remembered that it just didn't fit your, "why should anyone make more than me."

That is not even an issue because I am way above that. Besides I was told that the 10250 battle cry was all F/O's woudl make that at 10 years

 

[gunfyter]

That is not even an issue because I am way above that. Besides I was told that the 10250 battle cry was all F/O's woudl make that at 10 years

FO's?

That's more like it. I was afraid that was for captains and I was gonna ask: why so low?

 

[fischman]

Yip,

WHY IS 10/250 ABSURD?

If you don't have a solution, the correct answer for you "my opinion is invalid."

 

[EngineThunder]

You gotta love the irony of a USA Jet employee talking about pilot wages.

 

[Diesel]

You gotta love the irony of a USA Jet employee talking about pilot wages.

Ugh now we are going to hear about starting captains out at x and so many days off, and yada yada.

Christ I swear Yip probably hits all the hiring numbers just from his posts.

 

[EngineThunder]

I am sure a complete posting of his work history and resume won't be too far behind either.

 

[Diesel]

I am sure a complete posting of his work history and resume won't be too far behind either.

And quotes from Unions representing auto workers.

Don't forget you don't need a college degree to fly.

 

[pilotyip]

Ugh now we are going to hear about starting captains out at x and so many days off, and yada yada.

Christ I swear Yip probably hits all the hiring numbers just from his posts.

Always recruiting, we are filling our classes so something must be working. Get PM's asking for more info.

 

[Diesel]

Always recruiting, we are filling our classes so something must be working. Get PM's asking for more info.

It's amazing you never wonder why people leave.

Maybe one day you'll post in the majors section and tell them how much their unions suck.

Doubtful but a girl can dream.

 

[fischman]

Yip,

Numbers.

 

[Diesel]

Yip,

Numbers.

Will never happen.

 

[pilotyip]

Will never happen.

sure it will here are a few 17, 1, 456, 9012

 

[ghostrider64]

Yip...aka uninformed. 15 years ago a paragraph was added to our CBA that matched the current, at the time, 737 captains wages at the majors. It still exists in our CBA and a ten year capt would be paid a base of $235k. Yes, ten years ago that's what they were paid.

Today the FOs are capped, but Capt are making huge money by being at home on duty during normal schedules, then brought out on extended days pay on off days to cover trips. Many are indeed over $250 and rumor has it at least one guy broke $300k last year.

So take your it will never happen mentality back to your cargo company, and park them. You're defeatist mentality is bad for our PROFESSION.

 

[fischman]

sure it will here are a few 17, 1, 456, 9012

I have given you two days of opportunity to come up with FACTUAL DATA to prove that $250,000 a year is absurd. You have not.

Therefore by definition it is NOT absurd and a reasonable low point to accept as a reasonable CBA wage.

Your opinion is invalid.

 

[flexpilot]

Always recruiting, we are filling our classes so something must be working. Get PM's asking for more info.

Always recruitung means people are always leaving...... something must not be working.

 

[pilotyip]

Always recruitung means people are always leaving...... something must not be working.

Our turnover runs about 25% per year, that is who we are, a place you come and after about five get the experience to go to a career job. A place where you make Captain in a couple years. A place where you get solid 121 training to give you the skills to succeed as a pilot in a two man cockpit. A place you come back to when laid off, and a place you come to when your 6 figure corporate job as a G-v captain is eliminated and you are in your late 50's. Funny thing about the guys when they come back after being laid off by places like NJ, NWA, DAL, they are some of our strongest cheer leaders.

The average pilot has been here 8 years, but the other funny part is the upper half of our seniority list has been here an average of 14 years. They live local, they make close to $100K, and they are only gone from home maybe 4-5 nights a month,

 

[Diesel]

Funny you never see Yip running his mouth on the majors section. Or the freight section. Only here....

I wonder why.

 

[NJAowner]

Today's papers report that the new CEO already had a meeting with NJASAP President - supposedly the first one in years.

 

[Fozzy]

Today's papers report that the new CEO already had a meeting with NJASAP President - supposedly the first one in years.

True.