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BTW: These are the Terms Being Imposed on XJ Pilots

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AvroJockey

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Summary of Terms Management Intends to Impose

The following is a summary of the contract changes that management has the authority to impose.
  • Compensation
    • A 6% reduction to all wage rates
    • The Across-the-Board (“ATB”) increases scheduled to occur in January of 2007 and 2008 will be eliminated and replaced with ATB and contingent ATB increases as follows:
      • At the end of year 1 +2%
      • At the end of year 2 +2%
      • At the end of year 3 +1.5%
      • At the end of year 4 +1.5% +.1% for every A/C on the property over 79
      • At the end of year 5 +1.5% +.1% for every A/C on the property over 79
    • Seat Ranges
      • Q-400 (a 70-74 seat turboprop) will be paid at the 40-55 seat turboprop scale
      • 60-69 seat turbojet pay scale will be extended to 60-76 seats
    • True-up Adjustment of Hourly Rates
      • One time wage change in Feb 2007 of actual pilot payroll vs. planned payroll based on attrition
      • This could increase or decrease compensation
    • SAT times
      • When the Company begins utilizing the Global Positioning System on the SF-340 aircraft, they may adjust the Scheduled Average Times to reflect the reduction in flight time attributable to the GPS. Mesaba will only reduce the SAT times to the extent that the reduction is reasonably expected to occur.
  • Freezes
    • A pilot who upgrades to any captain position will be required to remain in that category for 2 years
    • The Freeze would not apply to involuntary displacements
  • Minimum Day Pay
    • Eliminate
  • Per Diem
    • $1.55
    • If there are more than 79 aircraft:
      • $1.60 at the end of year 3
      • $1.65 at the end of year
  • Uniform Allowance
    • Will be reduced to $150 for 2007 and 2008
    • Will be the full $235 in 2009 and years following
  • Minimum Days Off
    • 10 days off for reserve lines
  • Voluntary Moving Benefits
    • Remove the 2 weeks Per Diem and hotel for voluntary moves
  • Hotel Buy Out
    • A pilot who is entitled to a hotel room for a Long Term Training event may elect, at his sole discretion, to forego the hotel room. The Company will pay the pilot for one-half of the actual savings accrued from the pilot’s election to forego the hotel room.
  • Health insurance
    • Pilot premium share will not exceed 33% (this is an increase from 30%).
    • No changes to the amount of the office co-payments, deductibles, or out-of-pocket limits until January 1, 2009 unless,
      • The per capita cost of health care actually increases and
      • The industry average for office co-payment, deductible, and/or out of pocket limit exceeds that in place at Mesaba.
      • After January 1, 2009 there is no limitation on the increases.
    • Flex spending increases from $5000 to $6000
  • Prescription Drug Program
    • $10 co-pay generic
    • $500 deductible for name brand
    • $50 co-pay name brand after the $500 deductible met
    • No coverage for name brand if generic is available
  • Long Term Disability
    • Reduce benefit to 60% of Average Monthly Pay
    • Benefits will be provided based on length of service, as follows:
      • Less than 1 year of service to 1 year of benefit
      • 1 year but less than 2 years of service to 2 years of benefit
      • 2 years but less than 3 years of service to 3 years of benefit
      • 3 or more years of service retains your current benefit, to age 65
  • Short Term Disability
    • Reduce benefit to 60% of Average Monthly Pay
    • Increase waiting period from 3 days to 7 days.
  • Loss of License Insurance
    • Reduce benefit to 60% of Average Monthly Pay
  • Sick Pay
    • Pay at 75% of applicable rate.
  • Scheduling
    • CDO Deconsolidation
      • The CDO’s will be deconsolidated similar to the same rules as the 1996 Pilot Agreement for one year
    • Preferential Bidding system
      • PBS will be implemented after one year
        • Term are more favorable to the pilots than the flight attendant’s terms
        • Improvements increase after 1 year
        • Additional improvements after 60 aircraft
  • Profit Sharing
    • 20% of profits over 4%
    • +5% of profits over 8%
    • +5% of profits over 12%
    • Expires in 2012
 
Minimum Day Pay
    • Eliminate

I can't stand this part. It is just plain wrong. Even the DOL has set a minimum of 3 hrs if you get called into work. Thanks to having a Union the DOL rules don't count!
 
Hey FO's, get ready for going into work for a $20.00 day! (Or how about getting called in for a taxi leg? I'm sure any worker would appreciate driving in for $5.00!)
 
I can't stand this part. It is just plain wrong. Even the DOL has set a minimum of 3 hrs if you get called into work. Thanks to having a Union the DOL rules don't count![/SIZE][/FONT]

If that's the case, I wonder how they can get around that? Anyone know?
 
I get sick reading this stuff, really want to puke.

I am not as upset about the money as the 10 days off a month.
There is always a way to get the money back. Fly/taxi slower, extra de ice here and there, pick up some open time, fly a few full approaches it go's on and on everyone know how to make some extra $$.

The 10 days off a month just kill's we just lost 12 day's off a year all most 2 weeks of vacation, over a month of off time gone. There is no way to get a day back with your wife and kids. Flying slow won't fix it.

There are a lot of pilots around here that have been on Reserve for YEARS.
Damm it hurts.

I Hate this company!
 
I get sick reading this stuff, really want to puke.

I am not as upset about the money as the 10 days off a month.
There is always a way to get the money back. Fly/taxi slower, extra de ice here and there, pick up some open time, fly a few full approaches it go's on and on everyone know how to make some extra $$.

The 10 days off a month just kill's we just lost 12 day's off a year all most 2 weeks of vacation, over a month of off time gone. There is no way to get a day back with your wife and kids. Flying slow won't fix it.

There are a lot of pilots around here that have been on Reserve for YEARS.
Damm it hurts.

I Hate this company!

Those willing to work for this, deserve what they get.
 
I hope the best for you guys, cause you sure as hell don't deserve something as $hitty as this...no one does...
 
Those willing to work for this, deserve what they get.


You DUMB F***! What about the people that have spent years here and are now getting their arms twisted into this new contract? I wouldn't use the terms "willing to work for this" becuase NO ONE at XJ was willing to do this, it was forced upon them. Now, they have to chose between hoping they will grow or trading in their chips and starting over, rock bottom at some other horrible regional. It's not as clear cut as you candidly state. Think before you speak, F***er
 
As bad as XJ is now, and it is VERY BAD, it is not as bad as first year pay at some other crap house. Even ALPA acknowledges that they eat their young.

I know we lose a lot of the TV generation here, but the battle is not over. Labor has every reason to believe we all will win in appeals. When Mesaba Labor can strike, the proposed sympathy strikes will add real and undeniable leverage. I'm one of those guys who strongly advocates a system-wide strike. I believe it is the only way anyone will care enough to listen, and put the necessary pressure to bear to stop the maddnesses of airline managements. Unfortunately, the only way we can approach a large scale strike is to first win back the legal right to strike at Mesaba.

America is about more than the economy. Anyone remember civil rights? I bet some of you think it all was over in the 60's and 70's. Well, you are wrong. Our civil rights are under strong and concentrated attack and in great peril. This is the "war" we should all be concerned with right now.

XJ Management really really sucks. Their behavior is unethical, immoral, and reprehensible. The battle is, however, not yet over.
 
I really hope you guys can shut that place down. Don't take this the wrong way but its better to be looking for a job collecting unemployment then it is to be treated the way you are. ********************ing managers. . . .may they all rot in hell. Same with the damn judge too.
 
Yep, the unemployment insurance part is key. Anyone who quits mesaba right now will not be able to recieve UI.
 
I'm one of those guys who strongly advocates a system-wide strike. I believe it is the only way anyone will care enough to listen, and put the necessary pressure to bear to stop the maddnesses of airline managements.

Systemwide is a good idea!!!!
Seriously! this is getting out of control. We need to do a better job to try and educate the public. People who travel want to have competent, qualified pilots flying the aircraft. If this trend continues, we will be left with a bunch of recent graduates from XXXX training academy, who haven't figured out that this job isn't as cool as they thought and the money is worse.

The American public thinks we ALL make 100k+ so if we don't inform them otherwise, they won't care. They WILL notice if we all call in sick for a week, but ONLY if we get out the word that we make $15,000 a year to start (if Mesaba is the future) I think knowing the guy up front makes less than your kid at Butger King would make people nervous. Hello ALPA are you listening? We need a full page ad in USA today and the WSJ addressing this NOW!!!

There will be several posters who will point out that the public doesn't care. As long as they can still go to unrealisticfares.com and get that $49.95 flight from LAX-JFK they are oblivious. Maybe, but if they are inconvenienced and educated, maybe they will. What we are doing now IS NOT WORKING!!

Sorry, just woke up to the Mesaba news and I'm Pi$$ed off!!
 
Now, they have to chose between hoping they will grow or trading in their chips and starting over, rock bottom at some other horrible regional.

Why do you have to start over at another regional? Having the "I gotta fly for a living" mentality is dangerous.

That TA is a POS and it goes until 2012 whereas it will take another 2 years of negotiating to try and return to something close to the contract you previously had.

But I get the sense that no one really will quit. A lot of anger and a lot of talk, but 3 years from now, a lot of you will still be working for this TA hoping that in 2014, the next contract will be better.
 
Why do you have to start over at another regional? Having the "I gotta fly for a living" mentality is dangerous.


You've missed my point. It doesn't matter, starting over at another regional, or breaking into another completely different career at age 40 or 50, both options suck and should not even have to be considered based on life experience. Unfortunately though, in aviation, experience doesn't matter... if you lose your job or walk away from it, you're back at square one (wether it be at another regional, or non-aviation career). Back to my original point, it's not that easy to just fold and walk away from this job or career just because management has imposed this new contract, especially if you've been here for a long time. Should it be done? Who knows, I'm not here expressing my opinion on that.
 
S,omewhere, either on this tread or another, it was mentioned that the "Red Tail" family should join together in a job action in order to bring this injustice to the attention of the flying public. I doubt that would happen given the fact that the NWA pilots couldn't or wouldn't even stick up for themselves during their contract modification process!
 

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