BTW: These are the Terms Being Imposed on XJ Pilots

[COOPERVANE]

I'm one of those guys who strongly advocates a system-wide strike. I believe it is the only way anyone will care enough to listen, and put the necessary pressure to bear to stop the maddnesses of airline managements.

Systemwide is a good idea!!!!
Seriously! this is getting out of control. We need to do a better job to try and educate the public. People who travel want to have competent, qualified pilots flying the aircraft. If this trend continues, we will be left with a bunch of recent graduates from XXXX training academy, who haven't figured out that this job isn't as cool as they thought and the money is worse.

The American public thinks we ALL make 100k+ so if we don't inform them otherwise, they won't care. They WILL notice if we all call in sick for a week, but ONLY if we get out the word that we make $15,000 a year to start (if Mesaba is the future) I think knowing the guy up front makes less than your kid at Butger King would make people nervous. Hello ALPA are you listening? We need a full page ad in USA today and the WSJ addressing this NOW!!!

There will be several posters who will point out that the public doesn't care. As long as they can still go to unrealisticfares.com and get that $49.95 flight from LAX-JFK they are oblivious. Maybe, but if they are inconvenienced and educated, maybe they will. What we are doing now IS NOT WORKING!!

Sorry, just woke up to the Mesaba news and I'm Pi$$ed off!!

 

[kmox29]

Now, they have to chose between hoping they will grow or trading in their chips and starting over, rock bottom at some other horrible regional.

Why do you have to start over at another regional? Having the "I gotta fly for a living" mentality is dangerous.

That TA is a POS and it goes until 2012 whereas it will take another 2 years of negotiating to try and return to something close to the contract you previously had.

But I get the sense that no one really will quit. A lot of anger and a lot of talk, but 3 years from now, a lot of you will still be working for this TA hoping that in 2014, the next contract will be better.

 

[Terry Hunter]

So the new slogan is "Fly the FOM, er grieve it, um a lot later"

 

[XJTool]

Why do you have to start over at another regional? Having the "I gotta fly for a living" mentality is dangerous.

You've missed my point. It doesn't matter, starting over at another regional, or breaking into another completely different career at age 40 or 50, both options suck and should not even have to be considered based on life experience. Unfortunately though, in aviation, experience doesn't matter... if you lose your job or walk away from it, you're back at square one (wether it be at another regional, or non-aviation career). Back to my original point, it's not that easy to just fold and walk away from this job or career just because management has imposed this new contract, especially if you've been here for a long time. Should it be done? Who knows, I'm not here expressing my opinion on that.

 

[Cordell]

S,omewhere, either on this tread or another, it was mentioned that the "Red Tail" family should join together in a job action in order to bring this injustice to the attention of the flying public. I doubt that would happen given the fact that the NWA pilots couldn't or wouldn't even stick up for themselves during their contract modification process!

 

[OttoPilot]

Apparently they don't have the balls to impose them... They announced last night that negotiations were continuing and they were NOT imposing terms at this time.

 

[copcar1988]

So which do you think would be worse: management imposing or labor giving in and reaching an agreement?

 

[climb2slow]

Sadly, it still looks better than Mesa.

 

[Terry Hunter]

Negotiations Update –
Talks continued during the evening and are planned throughout the day today. As stated last night, as a result of the negotiations, management has decided to delay the imposition of new contract terms. As of now, our current contract remains in full force and effect.
Next status report this afternoon.
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So, let me figure this out - will many XJers feel "better" about a consensual agreement knowing the bitter alternative? Seems like XJ mgmt has you by the short hairs. By dangling the proverbial "stick", are you conceeding to a concessionary agreement and subcumbing to a little "stockholm syndrome"?

 

[mynameisjim]

I think I would have a lot of fun "flying the book".

What are all the things that are sometimes not done to the book? What could be done differently?

Getting extra approaches
bringing all faults to the attention to maintenance control
(and where they occur, not at a hub all the time)
taxiing at walking speed
configure as early and safely as necessary


What else?

 

[xjlifer]

1.Do not use cell phone to call dickscratch
2.Do not call ops to inform them there is no jet bridge driver
3.Do not call ops to ask for marshaller's
4. When plane is late wait for them to come find you in the crew room. DO not go look to see if it is at gate.

And lots more

 

[oiltycoon]

So, let me figure this out - will many XJers feel "better" about a consensual agreement knowing the bitter alternative? Seems like XJ mgmt has you by the short hairs. By dangling the proverbial "stick", are you conceeding to a concessionary agreement and subcumbing to a little "stockholm syndrome"?

Sadly I'd say most are or will. The atmosphere in the flightdeck is poor and people have this "lets just get this over" attitude. We're either taking a 17.5% cut or no better than 14-15% (at least that is what our negotiating team is reporting, a difference around 2% at the table). So either way it's going to be sh!t. But I suppose we get to vote on a TA. Time for another "CA vs. FO" or "Lifers vs. FOs that will be working at Home depot" vote

 

[ILOVEBEER]

I can't stand this part. It is just plain wrong. Even the DOL has set a minimum of 3 hrs if you get called into work. Thanks to having a Union the DOL rules don't count!

Having a union has nothing to do with it. The transportation industry has many labor law exemptions and I'm sure this is one of them. That's why you don't get mandated breaks like everyone else.

 

[Mr Wu]

Having a union has nothing to do with it. The transportation industry has many labor law exemptions and I'm sure this is one of them. That's why you don't get mandated breaks like everyone else.

Yes. The Railway Labor Act has been fukcing us for years.

 

[filejw]

Mr Wu you are so right .RLA was set up in the late 1890's to protect small towns from being left with no service if there was a RR strike. At the time no competion existed in the form of say trucks. The RLA has to go big time and we need to work on that as much as anything.