Braking...

[crjdude]

I was a Captain for a regional and a national prior to my current fractional job so I'm fairly familiar with the "transfer of controls" on landing when it's the FO's leg.

That being said...

What the heck is up with the unbelievably hard braking on almost every RJ flight I'm on?

10,000' runway and the Captain's brake like it's 3,000'!!!

Whatever happened to smooth technique vs. mechanically flying the airplane?
Jeez...

crjdude

 

[machaf]

Tell me about it. I don't get it either. Unless the runway is contaminated.

In the summer time one guy I flew with would slam on the brakes, the reserves wouldn't even deploy and be spooled up before he had to stow them at 80kias... I've never seen the brake temps get that high before.

 

[zasca]

i don't brake...... sh!t, I fly a prop.....

 

[ExHeloGuy]

Gotta make the first high speed!!! My car is waiting

 

[regionalcap]

Part of the problem could be not planning the runway exit.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Part of the problem could be not planning the runway exit.

Am currently on the CRJ (the only thing we fly), and I see this all the time. But the real problem is briefing that 'we'll clear to the left at taxiway XXX'. This sets up an unconcious dynamic that you MUST make that taxiway, hence the heavy braking. And I notice it more out of FO's, but of course I haven't been paired with a CA for many years!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[V-1]

There was a time when regional First Officers were hired with 2000-3000 hours of serious non traffic pattern experience.

Vref in an RJ is faster than any airplane most new First Officers have any PIC time in these days.

Perhaps they're just panicking?

 

[princeton]

I was a Captain for a regional and a national prior to my current fractional job so I'm fairly familiar with the "transfer of controls" on landing when it's the FO's leg.

That being said...

What the heck is up with the unbelievably hard braking on almost every RJ flight I'm on?

10,000' runway and the Captain's brake like it's 3,000'!!!

Whatever happened to smooth technique vs. mechanically flying the airplane?
Jeez...

crjdude

It could be due to the fact that that is the technique that we are told to use to minimize brake-wear.

In the case of the ERJ, at least, with the new carbon brakes the brake wear is least when you apply the brakes for the least amount of TIME.

So you are meant to brake heavily for a short period of time letting them get as hot as necessary as the brakes are most effective when hot and then release the brakes completely and not apply them again until you need to apply heavily again.

The opposite than used to be the case with old style brakes where the preferred method was a smooth application.

 

[The_Russian]

How often do you thermal tires?

 

[Willy21]

It could be due to the fact that that is the technique that we are told to use to minimize brake-wear.

In the case of the ERJ, at least, with the new carbon brakes the brake wear is least when you apply the brakes for the least amount of TIME.

So you are meant to brake heavily for a short period of time letting them get as hot as necessary as the brakes are most effective when hot and then release the brakes completely and not apply them again until you need to apply heavily again.

The opposite than used to be the case with old style brakes where the preferred method was a smooth application.

So why not roll out a while and then apply the brakes? The slower you are the less time you would have to use max braking.

 

[CX880]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Maturity,

I usually brief, we will turn off at the end..cause we have a min cool down of 3 min anyhow, so why rush off the runway?

Also, if you stuck it in the TDZ then that slam the brakes on isn't usually necessary, even if you are going to make a highspeed.

Based ORD

 

[Willy21]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

Maybe the white knuckle flyer that has never flown before cares. Shouldn't we as professional pilots try to do things as smooth as possible?

10,000 ft let it roll, Key West in the CRJ lock them up. Just know the difference.

 

[Thedude]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

I do. Because I am tired of eating the seat in front of me because some nincompoop cant roll to the next taxi-way exit. Yet another reason to hate RJs.

 

[siucavflight]

I just do it cause it is fun.

 

[pdub20s]

I can think of a few reason:

1. Your in JFK or a busy airport and you have a 757,etc on short final behind you and you need to exit quickly

2. ERJ carbon fiber breaks wear better when heated

3. Told to exit at the next high-speed *see reason #1*

4. your FO or CA ate up a lot of runway on his floating landing

..anyone care to add more????

 

[VxClimb]

What the heck is up with the unbelievably hard braking on almost every RJ flight I'm on?

It's for that passenger that got on and said, "this thing is so small is it safe?"

 

[DrewBlows]

Vref in an RJ is faster than any airplane most new First Officers have any PIC time in these days.

Vref in a CRJ is faster than any airplane most general aviation pilots have PIC time in.

It's not just an experience issue. I've flown with very experienced Captains who ruin my smooth landing by taking the aircraft and slamming on the brakes to make a high speed turn off. "Smooth" is a priority for some pilots, not so much for others.

 

[great cornholio]

So why not roll out a while and then apply the brakes? The slower you are the less time you would have to use max braking.

3 reasons for me.

1. I want to make sure my brakes actually work so if they don't work I have more time and runway ahead of me to see if the other guys brakes work, if his don't we will be off the end cause most of our fleet don't have reverse.

2. Our company policy is to try to heat the brakes up pretty good by doing hopefully one nice steady braking action. According to the brake guys getting them hot fast and having a steady increasing braking action during the landing roll saves brake life.

3. ATC seems to want us off the runway ASAP any more (IAD is bad enough about it they even have it in the ATIS) Seems like more often than not in hub airports someone is right up your six on final or tower is trying to launch a guy in a gap and want you off the runway so they can get that guy going.

 

[shamrock]

I do. Because I am tired of eating the seat in front of me because some nincompoop cant roll to the next taxi-way exit. Yet another reason to hate RJs.

I find that the roughest/jerkiest (is that a word?) landings seem to be on MD-88s. It feels like the Captain has to haul on the brakes and do his own version of anti-skid as soon as he takes the controls. Maybe is aircraft or Delta-specific but that's just my take.