Braking...

[crjdude]

I was a Captain for a regional and a national prior to my current fractional job so I'm fairly familiar with the "transfer of controls" on landing when it's the FO's leg.

That being said...

What the heck is up with the unbelievably hard braking on almost every RJ flight I'm on?

10,000' runway and the Captain's brake like it's 3,000'!!!

Whatever happened to smooth technique vs. mechanically flying the airplane?
Jeez...

crjdude

 

[machaf]

Tell me about it. I don't get it either. Unless the runway is contaminated.

In the summer time one guy I flew with would slam on the brakes, the reserves wouldn't even deploy and be spooled up before he had to stow them at 80kias... I've never seen the brake temps get that high before.

 

[zasca]

i don't brake...... sh!t, I fly a prop.....

 

[ExHeloGuy]

Gotta make the first high speed!!! My car is waiting

 

[regionalcap]

Part of the problem could be not planning the runway exit.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Part of the problem could be not planning the runway exit.

Am currently on the CRJ (the only thing we fly), and I see this all the time. But the real problem is briefing that 'we'll clear to the left at taxiway XXX'. This sets up an unconcious dynamic that you MUST make that taxiway, hence the heavy braking. And I notice it more out of FO's, but of course I haven't been paired with a CA for many years!

Peace.

Rekks

 

[V-1]

There was a time when regional First Officers were hired with 2000-3000 hours of serious non traffic pattern experience.

Vref in an RJ is faster than any airplane most new First Officers have any PIC time in these days.

Perhaps they're just panicking?

 

[princeton]

I was a Captain for a regional and a national prior to my current fractional job so I'm fairly familiar with the "transfer of controls" on landing when it's the FO's leg.

That being said...

What the heck is up with the unbelievably hard braking on almost every RJ flight I'm on?

10,000' runway and the Captain's brake like it's 3,000'!!!

Whatever happened to smooth technique vs. mechanically flying the airplane?
Jeez...

crjdude

It could be due to the fact that that is the technique that we are told to use to minimize brake-wear.

In the case of the ERJ, at least, with the new carbon brakes the brake wear is least when you apply the brakes for the least amount of TIME.

So you are meant to brake heavily for a short period of time letting them get as hot as necessary as the brakes are most effective when hot and then release the brakes completely and not apply them again until you need to apply heavily again.

The opposite than used to be the case with old style brakes where the preferred method was a smooth application.

 

[The_Russian]

How often do you thermal tires?

 

[Willy21]

It could be due to the fact that that is the technique that we are told to use to minimize brake-wear.

In the case of the ERJ, at least, with the new carbon brakes the brake wear is least when you apply the brakes for the least amount of TIME.

So you are meant to brake heavily for a short period of time letting them get as hot as necessary as the brakes are most effective when hot and then release the brakes completely and not apply them again until you need to apply heavily again.

The opposite than used to be the case with old style brakes where the preferred method was a smooth application.

So why not roll out a while and then apply the brakes? The slower you are the less time you would have to use max braking.

 

[CX880]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Maturity,

I usually brief, we will turn off at the end..cause we have a min cool down of 3 min anyhow, so why rush off the runway?

Also, if you stuck it in the TDZ then that slam the brakes on isn't usually necessary, even if you are going to make a highspeed.

Based ORD

 

[Willy21]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

Maybe the white knuckle flyer that has never flown before cares. Shouldn't we as professional pilots try to do things as smooth as possible?

10,000 ft let it roll, Key West in the CRJ lock them up. Just know the difference.

 

[Thedude]

Who cares as long as you don't find yourself next to a gas station at the end of the rollout.

I do. Because I am tired of eating the seat in front of me because some nincompoop cant roll to the next taxi-way exit. Yet another reason to hate RJs.

 

[siucavflight]

I just do it cause it is fun.