Brakes work...

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Perhaps it is a result of the Captains taking control of the airplane around 60-80 knots on the landing rollout to "taxi" it off and the resultant disconnect that occurs between what the FO thinks the Captain wants and what the Captain actually wants. I'm just sayin...

Also known as the Captain being too poor of a pilot to match up with the FO as the transfer is taking place. Not exactly that hard...

As far as using idle reverse vs. braking... you're still going for the same deccel rate. No reason to jam on the brakes on a long runway unless you've got gorilla feet and just can't do any better.

 

[TristarJS30]

No reason to jam on the brakes on a long runway unless you've got gorilla feet and just can't do any better.

People type LOL a lot... but this time I actually did. Nicely done!

 

[samballs]

i was told to expedite off the runway once and i said "sure, but ill need a billing address to send the invoice for my new brakes" then ATC said " uh, roger, left turn when able and contact ground point 7" ..... true story, try it one day.

Please tell me you feel like a dork for telling that story, and actually saying it to the controller

 

[sayrejm]

i take it no one got the sarcasm.... i got the sarcasm when the next guy quoted me and said "you are the man." i don't understand why every thing is taken so seriously. this is flight info, believe nothing you hear especially when it ends with "true story"

The actual story behind what I said was when I was taking my 500 initial check ride out in scottsdale and the ATC told me to hurry off the runway and my check pilot told me to not slam on the brakes because ATC doesn't pay the MX bill. I was told that if the guy behind me is too close then it isn't any one's fault but the guy behind me and ATC for not sequencing properly.... Of course I hear of some cases in ATL with one carrier that likes to roll out to the end of the runway making every one go around. So, life is all about the happy medium.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Whether or not separation is someone else's problem, ATC figures out who "plays ball." The cost of new brakes is probably less than a couple of go-arounds or extra vectoring because they know YOU and YOUR company need the extra space.

 

[CX880]

i take it no one got the sarcasm.... i got the sarcasm when the next guy quoted me and said "you are the man." i don't understand why every thing is taken so seriously. this is flight info, believe nothing you hear especially when it ends with "true story"

The actual story behind what I said was when I was taking my 500 initial check ride out in scottsdale and the ATC told me to hurry off the runway and my check pilot told me to not slam on the brakes because ATC doesn't pay the MX bill. I was told that if the guy behind me is too close then it isn't any one's fault but the guy behind me and ATC for not sequencing properly.... Of course I hear of some cases in ATL with one carrier that likes to roll out to the end of the runway making every one go around. So, life is all about the happy medium.

Your check pilot is an idiot. Follow what ATC tells you they don't pay you enough to worry about break costs. I can't stand those pilots that look after the company I want to punch them in the face.

 

[BoilerUP]

The actual story behind what I said was when I was taking my 500 initial check ride out in scottsdale and the ATC told me to hurry off the runway and my check pilot told me to not slam on the brakes because ATC doesn't pay the MX bill

Mitch?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Your check pilot is an idiot. Follow what ATC tells you they don't pay you enough to worry about break costs. I can't stand those pilots that look after the company I want to punch them in the face.

We can always count on you. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[sayrejm]

Mitch?

no comment

this was 8 years ago

 

[LazyLightnin']

A lot of guys land the RJ way too fast. That's why.

 

[SBD]

I swear some of you guys feel like you own these planes. Brakes/full reversers who gives a crap. Unless your making monthly payments on an RJ who cares.

 

[BoilerUP]

I swear some of you guys feel like you own these planes. Brakes/full reversers who gives a crap. Unless your making monthly payments on an RJ who cares.

As a professional airline pilot, you're supposed to fly the airplane per your FOM/GOM in the manner your company dictates. If the manner they want you to fly involves an effort to save unnecessary wear on expensive parts like brakes and/or engines, and it doesn't compromise safety, then so be it...

Airline pilots (and for that matter, airline management) truly don't understand that one can save (or cost) more money with the thrust levers than an entire crew's annual compensation...

 

[CX880]

As a professional airline pilot, you're supposed to fly the airplane per your FOM/GOM in the manner your company dictates. If the manner they want you to fly involves an effort to save unnecessary wear on expensive parts like brakes and/or engines, and it doesn't compromise safety, then so be it...

Airline pilots (and for that matter, airline management) truly don't understand that one can save (or cost) more money with the thrust levers than an entire crew's annual compensation...

LOLOL yea I've heard that before, one less furloughed pilot if you fly at .74 instead of .78? HHAHAHAHAHA seriously man. You may fly corporate and that's different but for we don't own these planes, there's no need to go out of your way to help save the company money particularly in the case of the OP.

 

[BoilerUP]

LOLOL yea I've heard that before

I'd certainly hope you've heard that you're supposed to fly your company's aircraft the way the company tells you to...

one less furloughed pilot if you fly at .74 instead of .78?

I wasn't necessarily talking about cruise speed and the subsequent fuel burn; most traditional fee-for-departure regional contracts have the mainline paying for fuel anyway. I was talking more about flex thrust takeoffs and climbs, and using minimal (idle) reverse thrust when it makes operational sense.

What's your incentive to save the company money? They have lower costs (more growth opportunities) and are more profitable (great for job security and better if you own stock), but if you're the typical "me-first" type look no further than self-preservation: the more money in their pocket from operational savings means less need to come after your paycheck.

But ultimately, it comes down to professionalism...you work for the company, the company doesn't work for you. As such, fly the damn plane per the book the way you're trained and expected to....it isn't exactly rocket science.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Also known as the Captain being too poor of a pilot to match up with the FO as the transfer is taking place. Not exactly that hard...

Or you're flying with First Officer "Your Plane!", I've had that happen as well.

 

[shamrock]

Also known as the Captain being too poor of a pilot to match up with the FO as the transfer is taking place. Not exactly that hard...

Goes both ways boss, heavy braking after landing followed by a ninja-fast, feets to da floor brake release a millisecond after el Capitan says "I have the controls" does not a smoooth transfer make...

 

[shamrock]

Your check pilot is an idiot. Follow what ATC tells you they don't pay you enough to worry about break costs.

I can only imagine how much our breaks cost the company, we have a 2 to 3 hour one built into our schedules almost every day! Fortunately I'm able to take out my frustrations on the brakes when my break is over so it's all good...

 

[LazyLightnin']

Let's face it.. there are some good pilots out there and there are some really bad pilots out there... But something we can all agree on is that nearly all the women pilots are horrible.

 

[CX880]

I can only imagine how much our breaks cost the company, we have a 2 to 3 hour one built into our schedules almost every day! Fortunately I'm able to take out my frustrations on the brakes when my break is over so it's all good...

idiot.

 

[shamrock]

idiot.

Ooh look everybody, a witty response from someone who doesn't know the difference between "brakes" and "breaks"!!!!

 

[727C47]

Let's face it.. there are some good pilots out there and there are some really bad pilots out there... But something we can all agree on is that nearly all the women pilots are horrible.

i dont know what ladies you fly with but the majority of the girls i've flown with in the airlines,warbirds,freight,and fracs are outstanding.

 

[CX880]

Ooh look everybody, a witty response from someone who doesn't know the difference between "brakes" and "breaks"!!!!

youve never seen bad spleling and or grammr on flight info? but if think you really will do about it break and brakes do the same thing, they stop something most deffinataly.

 

[Seahawker01]

A lot of the airlines have a contract with a brake company paid by landings not brake sets used. So just fly the airplane the way you need to for that operation that day and don’t worry about the politics or the company.

 

[say again]

Ooh look everybody, a witty response from someone who doesn't know the difference between "brakes" and "breaks"!!!!

hahahahaha, what would expect from a gojet pilot?! English is their 2nd language.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

There is no reason for you to do that other than trying to be deuch. Be careful so that you don't get behind one of your types when you have low fuel and going around is not an option. Karma is a real lady.

Spoken like a true bottom feeder! Wait till the last minute to land, if you don't have enough gas to go around, you have failed. Once again your lack of knowledge and skills shines through!
Looser/loser
PBR

 

[79%N1]

What is up with all the HEAVY braking during landing on so many regional flights?

crjdude

How about NEVERMIND how others fly, and we won't critique you either! It would be like a passanger on your flight getting off and as you are handing him his luggage him saying. 'what's was up with all the heaving banking on that flight'? What would you think?

Worry about yourself. I'll brake however I see fit...............

 

[Lear70]

You only gave him a 10-day suspension? He'd better be glad you dealt with him and I didn't...

Between this and some of the other language this weekend, I'm starting to think some PERMANENT bans are in order. As professionals, I think we can do better, people...

 

[belchfire]

Transtates has several ERJ's that have no TR's...and yeah, disgruntled pilots who's very jobs eliminate their own potential for advancement probably don't care about passenger comfort so much. Really, their mainline code share partners don't care(or there wouldn't be 2+ hour rj flights), why should they?

 

[airjackson]

I'm really surprised that this thread has gotten to page 4 and nobody has mentioned that that the carbon brakes on the E-145 are designed to be applied firmly. Unless things have changed since I flew it, one of our bulletins detailed how the carbon brakes, as opposed to conventional ones, wear less the HARDER you apply them. It seemed crazy to me and it certainly went against passenger comfort but we were advised not to use gentle, consistent braking due to it causing greater brake wear. A firm continous application resulted in less brake wear and more effective braking.

Anyone?

 

[CX880]

I'm really surprised that this thread has gotten to page 4 and nobody has mentioned that that the carbon brakes on the E-145 are designed to be applied firmly. Unless things have changed since I flew it, one of our bulletins detailed how the carbon brakes, as opposed to conventional ones, wear less the HARDER you apply them. It seemed crazy to me and it certainly went against passenger comfort but we were advised not to use gentle, consistent braking due to it causing greater brake wear. A firm continous application resulted in less brake wear and more effective braking.

Anyone?

who advised you not to be gentle on the erj break application? the key is continuous but you don't have to be hard on them either.