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[B6Busdriver]

I only got 1... You must be in the "high performance" club!

Oh defnitely. I'll be working in the CP office soon!:laugh:

 

[CapnVegetto]

I work Tues-Thursdays the entire month of May. I have worked 3 weekends I believe in the last year. I typically have 15 hard days off a month and spend about 18-19ish nights in my own bed a month. Not to shabby for a commuter. LCR days, PRL days, REL days. All very good things, that add to my time at home and increase my QOL greatly. Automated FLICA system(huge QOL boosting tool). Training is very low stress. If you want to make more money you can choose to work more and make a lot more. If you want to spend more time at home you can choose to do that. The ability to choose how to use your PTO time. Cash it in, take a vacation, or just take the day off(for whatever reason neccesary). No actual commuter policy, which means lots of leeway. You can make some descent money as an FO, which also means more freedom to adjust your QOL as you see fit. Free bus service between Terminal 5 to Kew. Not a big deal, but it saves a lot of crew members hundreds of dollars a month. A large majority of people you work with are happy. Say what you will, but that makes a huge difference in QOL as well. I have named a few like you asked.

These are just a few things that I think are pretty nice over here that many others don't have. Yes you can all say I drink the blue juice. However these are things that we have that I know many other majors/legacy's don't have. I have a few guys in my pad who's airlines are heavily unionized and they would kill for some of the work rules that we have. Do I think that we need a CBA, yes I do. It is not for the many reasons that people complain about on this board and others, so for that reason people may say I am drinking the blue juice. So yes I will drink away, be very happy while I am at work, send in my card, and still vote yes if the opportunity presents itself.

This all being said I do realize that there are some things that need to get better, and promises that need to be delivered on. Regardless if that promise was made verbally or in writing.

This is precisely right. Dead on. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. Are we slave labor toiling away in the boiler rooms getting whips cracked on us? Hell no.

It's good to see someone that has a dose of reality. There are about 15,000 people that would LOVE to be where we are, I promise you. There is absolutely stuff wrong, and there needs to be improvements in health insurance, retirement, everything. But that doesn't justify running around, bitching and moaning like the company treats you like you were working the cotton fields in the 1800's. I find it amusing that if you claim to actually like what you do on this board, or pretty much any board for that matter, you are chastized and screamed at by sad little people who would still be finding a reason to bitch and moan if they were making $500K a year to work 6 days a month. Of course, none of them have the stones to do it in real life. Truth is, we've got a damn good gig. I am very happy and content to be at JetBlue, and realistically could live a very good life the next 30 years here.

That being said though, there is definitely room for improvement and a union is definitely needed. Management has been taking stuff away for a while now, and the bull$hit rhetoric that they spout all the time is almost laughable. They pay tons of lip service here, but don't really do much. A union will force them to.

A merger is coming, no doubt, but I honestly don't believe that a union isn't going to do us much good if DL, AA, or anybody big merges with us. They will swallow us whole and we'll be lucky to get a staple, union or no union. However, assuming there is no merger (as management claims, but I don't believe), then we need a CBA to lock in our pay, benefits, and cut through the BS lip service Barger and co. like to give us.

I want a union for the same reasons I live my life the way I do. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. We will never get QOL, insurance, and retirement improvements without a union. I believe a merger is coming, and I believe we'll be lucky to get a staple with said merger. That being said, however, I will plan for the worst. I will operate under the assumption that there is no merger coming, that B6 will be here for the next 30 years, and that I will be here for said 30 years. A CBA is required for the improvements that are needed.

Vote yes!

 

[linepilot]

Indn't that special. Lemme guess? About 30 years old and just tickled to be doing what you love? Thats perfect for jetblew. Young, eager, go getters who don't even notice when the game changes. Yes, it's unfortunate that we have some aging professionals with medical bills, and college funds, and retirement woes but the new paradigm doesn't honor the promises of old and old is just NOT fabulous if you ask me.

 

[NoPFactor]

linepilot, are you burned out? Your miserable.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Indn't that special. Lemme guess? About 30 years old and just tickled to be doing what you love? Thats perfect for jetblew. Young, eager, go getters who don't even notice when the game changes. Yes, it's unfortunate that we have some aging professionals with medical bills, and college funds, and retirement woes but the new paradigm doesn't honor the promises of old and old is just NOT fabulous if you ask me.

As opposed to being a miserable, crotchety 50 or 60 something old twat who has made piss poor stupid financial and life decisions and now is full of hatred and jealousy towards anybody not as miserable as him.

Go jump off a cliff. Just because you are miserable and pissed off doesn't mean everybody else should be.

 

[Fins Up]

I work Tues-Thursdays the entire month of May. I have worked 3 weekends I believe in the last year. I typically have 15 hard days off a month and spend about 18-19ish nights in my own bed a month. Not to shabby for a commuter. LCR days, PRL days, REL days. All very good things, that add to my time at home and increase my QOL greatly. Automated FLICA system(huge QOL boosting tool). Training is very low stress. If you want to make more money you can choose to work more and make a lot more. If you want to spend more time at home you can choose to do that. The ability to choose how to use your PTO time. Cash it in, take a vacation, or just take the day off(for whatever reason neccesary). No actual commuter policy, which means lots of leeway. You can make some descent money as an FO, which also means more freedom to adjust your QOL as you see fit. Free bus service between Terminal 5 to Kew. Not a big deal, but it saves a lot of crew members hundreds of dollars a month. A large majority of people you work with are happy. Say what you will, but that makes a huge difference in QOL as well. I have named a few like you asked.

These are just a few things that I think are pretty nice over here that many others don't have. Yes you can all say I drink the blue juice. However these are things that we have that I know many other majors/legacy's don't have. I have a few guys in my pad who's airlines are heavily unionized and they would kill for some of the work rules that we have. Do I think that we need a CBA, yes I do. It is not for the many reasons that people complain about on this board and others, so for that reason people may say I am drinking the blue juice. So yes I will drink away, be very happy while I am at work, send in my card, and still vote yes if the opportunity presents itself.

This all being said I do realize that there are some things that need to get better, and promises that need to be delivered on. Regardless if that promise was made verbally or in writing.

I hope you're still going to vote yes and keep all your 'goodies' and not have them taken away, like:

1. 78 hour trigger
2. 13:30s
3. Stock options
4. CSPP discount (it has been lowered if not eliminated)
5. A decent amount of preimum pay (RM specifically stated during the last conference call that the company wants to minimize premium pay => less $$ for you.)
6. Reasonable healthcare costs, about to get worse too
...That's just off the top of my head.

If that's not enough, think long and hard about how much fun it will be to fight and acquiring groups CBA with strong backing with our individual PEAs and a supposed $2mil fund that can be broken up and distributed to pilots if they wish. Yes, that is how it's written.

CBA please.

 

[linepilot]

As opposed to being a miserable, crotchety 50 or 60 something old twat who has made piss poor stupid financial and life decisions and now is full of hatred and jealousy towards anybody not as miserable as him.

Go jump off a cliff. Just because you are miserable and pissed off doesn't mean everybody else should be.

There ya go!

"Poor financial and life decisions" everybody! That's how the "paradigm" changed.

Oh, to be young and fabulous.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There ya go!

"Poor financial and life decisions" everybody! That's how the "paradigm" changed.

Oh, to be young and fabulous.

Life is change, man.

If you haven't figured that out by now you have serious problems.

What's most amusing to me is that you actually BELIEVED what a corporate manager in America told you. Now that is funny.

 

[J32driver]

Life is change, man.

If you haven't figured that out by now you have serious problems.

And Karma is a Mother^&cker... and has no time limit!

 

[kwick]

Life is change, man.

If you haven't figured that out by now you have serious problems.

What's most amusing to me is that you actually BELIEVED what a corporate manager in America told you. Now that is funny.

"Life is change, man"

Age 65 is now the reality.

Deal with it, and grow up !

 

[CapnVegetto]

"Life is change, man"

Age 65 is now the reality.

Deal with it, and grow up !

What in the hell are you talking about?

What relevance does that have to the discussion?

I am content with my job but still advocate for improvements, he hates me because I am not as miserable as he is. So I ask again, what does age 65 have to do with anything?

 

[CapnVegetto]

And Karma is a Mother^&cker... and has no time limit!

If that were true, politicians would be getting struck by lightning all the time.

I'm sorry if people don't like the truth. They usually don't.

 

[BeachBummer]

Captveg, fact is you don't know what sort of poor or great decisions that linepilot has made or any of the rest of us for that matter. Your making very large assumptions. You may wanna tone it down abit before you step on your dragon ballz...

 

[CapnVegetto]

Captveg, fact is you don't know what sort of poor or great decisions that linepilot has made or any of the rest of us for that matter. Your making very large assumptions. You may wanna tone it down abit before you step on your dragon ballz...

I Should tone it down??? Really?? Have you even READ some of his posts? Like the crap he spews about voting no just to spite everybody?

Don't expect me to not call people on their bull$hit dude. If someone acts like an a$$, they will hear about it from me.

Where is your post calling him out on his assumptions about me?

EDIT: For purpose of elaboration, I will add to this.

I have way too may people that I actually care about that are looking for jobs and trying to feed their kids to tolerate the incessant, pathetic whining of some ******************************bag captain with a six-figure income pi$$ing and moaning about his station in life when I personally know a gargantuan number of people that would give anything to be where he is.

It makes me sick.

Don't talk to me about your bills, kids' college, etc. I'm in the same damn boat. I have a family to take care of, too. If you can't make your life work on a six figure income, you have a serious problem. I make more money now than I ever have, but I know how to manage it, and I know how to do without stuff. Sure, I could afford to live in a McMansion in an expensive neighborhood, but I choose not to because I'd rather that money be put toward college. I choose to drive two 10 year old vehicles until they die because they are paid for. I choose to not buy a boat, a second house, a sports car, or any number of other frivolous things because I would rather have a nice fat savings earmarked as an "oh $hit fund".

I am ready for the future. I think about it all the time, probably more than most. Every year I make more money, but my lifestyle doesnt change. I have ZERO debt except my mortgage, which will be paid off in 12 years at the rate I'm going. It's not that hard!! An extra $300 bucks a month. That's nothing. Its all about choices. Lots of people on here should learn to make better ones.

95% of what I see with pilots that whine and moan about money are people that made poor choices when they were my age, and it caught up with them later in life. I am making choices and sacrifices now that will pay off for me later. I had a good example in my parents. They live a very comfortable retirement now because they didn't blow their money on stupid crap when they were my age. I am attempting to do the same thing now, knowing it will pay off in the end.

 

[linepilot]

Listen to him go people.

He's a 30 year old SOOTH SAYER...

...a sage...

...a wise man before his years.

Listen, even if you don't like what you're hearing, because he's TOLD US...

...he speaks the TRUTH. :laugh:

 

[CapnVegetto]

Listen to him go people.

He's a 30 year old SOOTH SAYER...

...a sage...

...a wise man before his years.

Listen, even if you don't like what you're hearing, because he's TOLD US...

...he speaks the TRUTH. :laugh:

See? Complete idiocy.

I rest my case.

 

[linepilot]

See? Complete idiocy.

I rest my case.

Well YOU should'a been a lawyer.

But I'm guessing you think the very same thing.

 

[linepilot]

The only fight some of these kids have is for the old farts (the ones who tried to organize this place three different times) and the left seats they are keeping them from. Their benefactors at jetblew have given them a pretty darn good job and the new paradigm is just fine for now.

Of course in 20 years, if they swing that way, they may have families and the exact same unrealized expectations.

Hard to say who they'll blame it on, but damn sure, it won't be their SUPERIOR choices. One way or the other, they will have sowed up retirement and health care for life.:laugh:

 

[$$$4nothin]

I hope you're still going to vote yes and keep all your 'goodies' and not have them taken away, like:

1. 78 hour trigger
2. 13:30s
3. Stock options
4. CSPP discount (it has been lowered if not eliminated)
5. A decent amount of preimum pay (RM specifically stated during the last conference call that the company wants to minimize premium pay => less $$ for you.)
6. Reasonable healthcare costs, about to get worse too
...That's just off the top of my head.

If that's not enough, think long and hard about how much fun it will be to fight and acquiring groups CBA with strong backing with our individual PEAs and a supposed $2mil fund that can be broken up and distributed to pilots if they wish. Yes, that is how it's written.

CBA please.

Did you not read my post that you quoted. I said I was going to vote yes.
BTW. It has been a 78 hour trigger since I applied and got hired here. I also never got stock options. Like I said. I will vote yes, but not for the reasons that all of the blow hards always talk about.

 

[$$$4nothin]

95% of what I see with pilots that whine and moan about money are people that made poor choices when they were my age, and it caught up with them later in life..

Other than the freak medical issue that unfortunately eat away all savings and the income of some, this is an absolute fact. I have a hard time feeling bad for the guy that can't make ends meet on his $150k+ a year salary due to his poor decisions.

 

[Lake Alice]

never mind

 

[BeachBummer]

You've gone to the other spectrum of Barney! LOL, not sure how we got onto Rich Dad Poor Dad topic but I agree with ya on your points. What was this thread about agian?

I Should tone it down??? Really?? Have you even READ some of his posts? Like the crap he spews about voting no just to spite everybody?

Don't expect me to not call people on their bull$hit dude. If someone acts like an a$$, they will hear about it from me.

Where is your post calling him out on his assumptions about me?

EDIT: For purpose of elaboration, I will add to this.

I have way too may people that I actually care about that are looking for jobs and trying to feed their kids to tolerate the incessant, pathetic whining of some ******************************bag captain with a six-figure income pi$$ing and moaning about his station in life when I personally know a gargantuan number of people that would give anything to be where he is.

It makes me sick.

Don't talk to me about your bills, kids' college, etc. I'm in the same damn boat. I have a family to take care of, too. If you can't make your life work on a six figure income, you have a serious problem. I make more money now than I ever have, but I know how to manage it, and I know how to do without stuff. Sure, I could afford to live in a McMansion in an expensive neighborhood, but I choose not to because I'd rather that money be put toward college. I choose to drive two 10 year old vehicles until they die because they are paid for. I choose to not buy a boat, a second house, a sports car, or any number of other frivolous things because I would rather have a nice fat savings earmarked as an "oh $hit fund".

I am ready for the future. I think about it all the time, probably more than most. Every year I make more money, but my lifestyle doesnt change. I have ZERO debt except my mortgage, which will be paid off in 12 years at the rate I'm going. It's not that hard!! An extra $300 bucks a month. That's nothing. Its all about choices. Lots of people on here should learn to make better ones.

95% of what I see with pilots that whine and moan about money are people that made poor choices when they were my age, and it caught up with them later in life. I am making choices and sacrifices now that will pay off for me later. I had a good example in my parents. They live a very comfortable retirement now because they didn't blow their money on stupid crap when they were my age. I am attempting to do the same thing now, knowing it will pay off in the end.

 

[BeachBummer]

However, just because your making "more money now than you ever have" doesn't mean your being compensated fairly.

 

[CapnVegetto]

However, just because your making "more money now than you ever have" doesn't mean your being compensated fairly.

That is not in dispute. There are definitely improvements that need to be made. However, the market dictates what pilots are paid, and thankfully we have unions at most companies placing upward pressure on those wages.

The seniority system is the biggest problem we have, though, not management.

When I flew corporate/charter, if someone treated me like crap, or cut my insurance, I could take my $30,000 type rating and go somewhere else that would treat me better. That is not an option in the airlines unless you are junior enough or at a crappy regional. The guys that have been at B6 for a while are stuck, unless they want to start over at the bottom and take it in the shorts financially for a while.

Due to the seniority system, companies do not have to compete for pilots. The ONLY thing that keeps wages, work rules, and benefits decent are the unions. That is why we need one. As long as Barger has 12,000 applications on file for pilots that want to work here, and about 1,000 or so senior captains that are stuck as hell no matter what he does because they can't afford to start over anywhere, it sucks to be us. A union is the only chance we have for real improvements unless the seniority system is dumped.

Of course, a pilot's definition of 'fair compensation' compared to management's definition and society's definition are very different things. Who's right? That is an entirely different debate. All we can do is get whatever we can get.

At least we'll be able to fight a bit once we get a union.

 

[n757st]

The only fight some of these kids have is for the old farts (the ones who tried to organize this place three different times) and the left seats they are keeping them from. Their benefactors at jetblew have given them a pretty darn good job and the new paradigm is just fine for now.

Of course in 20 years, if they swing that way, they may have families and the exact same unrealized expectations.

Hard to say who they'll blame it on, but damn sure, it won't be their SUPERIOR choices. One way or the other, they will have sowed up retirement and health care for life.:laugh:

Lol.... The "Old Farts" we're organizing and the young studs were the "no" votes? How about during the next OC we compare the average age of a BOB to an OC member and compare results. Linepilot, you still going to vote no during the next union drive to spite us young'ins?

 

[$$$4nothin]

Lol.... The "Old Farts" we're organizing and the young studs were the "no" votes? How about during the next OC we compare the average age of a BOB to an OC member and compare results. young'ins?

This is also a fact. I am a 30 something, as are all the guys in my pad and my new hire class. Even a couple 20 somethings. Guess how 98% of 20 and 30 somethings that I know voted or will vote given the chance. Yet I fly with all old guy captains. I would say most of the 1193 are 45+. Also the concept that the company hired 250 young pilots to move the vote is BS also because the last 150+ guys hired were not eligible to vote. Go convince your old guy friends to pay down debt, vote Yes, and the next drive will pass.

 

[B6Driver]

Please, no facts are allowed here, you know the rules.

 

[linepilot]

Lol.... The "Old Farts" we're organizing and the young studs were the "no" votes? How about during the next OC we compare the average age of a BOB to an OC member and compare results. Linepilot, you still going to vote no during the next union drive to spite us young'ins?

I don't care if the place burns to the ground at this point and you'll know it if you fly with me. Feel free to keep your pie hole shut. :laugh:

 

[n757st]

I don't care if the place burns to the ground at this point and you'll know it if you fly with me. Feel free to keep your pie hole shut. :laugh:

A well reasoned mature responce. Why anyone takes you seriously is beyond me.

 

[BeachBummer]

I don't care if the place burns to the ground at this point and you'll know it if you fly with me. Feel free to keep your pie hole shut. :laugh:

Maybe you should take a spoonful of your own advise... Your comments do nothing to help.