Black leaders unhappy about Delta Air Lines’ diversity.

[timeless]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but as a history major in college I would like to point out that a meritocracy is a myth in this country. You all prove it with the rolodex you have of your buddies that work at such and such a place for when you need an in for that interview down the road, myself included. We all get where we get based on who we know whether we are a minority or otherwise, not necessarilly on qualifications alone. Can anyone of us honestly say there weren't better qualified applicants than ourselves that did not get the job simply because they did not have the right contacts. Why do you think Harvard, Yalies and Ivy Leaguers end up where they are. Don't kid yourselves.

I had to use wikipedia to learn more about Meritocracy. I found it very interesting.

When I turned 18 I didn't know anybody else that was a pilot. I got all the way through my MEI with a creative combination of odd jobs and large loans. When I decided instructing wasn't a very good job I still didn't have any good connections but I was able to land a decent freight job. I quickly upgraded to PIC based on recommendations from captains that could vouch for my competence. From here on out it will be walked in resumes, but merit got it started.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Hmm... I never had anyone to walk in a resume for me, anywhere I went. I'm sure they just hired me because I'm white and have a nice haircut.

 

[B190Captain]

I am a white male and spend 12/16ths of the year,or maybe even 3/4ths, working out of that $hithole. I am a minority. There IS a major need for diversity. How about hiring someone that is white,mexican,asian,etc.? I am not speaking specifically of Delta. Everywhere you turn and especially the airport, the employed are 97% African-American and the rest are of other races. I realize demographics play a huge part in all of this, but, how can anyone HONESTLY say that that the African-American population is not getting their fair share of the pie in ATL?

When the white man makes an issue of it then you are called a white supremacist.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I used to work for a City of Atlanta contractor. We were REQUIRED to retain a minority business partner with ties to Mayor Bill Campbell. He, the 57th Mayor, went to prison following his term. Our 58th Mayor is far less corrupt as far as milking the system for personal gain, but still all the offices and policies remain:

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Business/DoingBusiness/contracts_procurement.aspx

The Office of Contract Compliance (“OCC”) is another office that plays an important role in the bid process. The Contract Employment Report Form ("CER") found in the Bidder's Application Package is reviewed by OCC. Additionally, certification for minority and female business enterprise status is handled through OCC.

And then the government wonders why white, male, blue collar, professionals have been hit much harder in this recession than in previous recessions? 80% of all jobs lost have been amongst the only non-minority group. My easy answer is that when governement is driving the economy and not much is really getting produced the market is distorted by government policies.

Rather than just getting rid of the offending programs that waste so much money and time, I am sure they'll have some sort of task force to fund a government study and set up a new bureaucracy to administer some sort of program to try to reverse the discrimination that is allowed in other branches of government.

As for freedom in this nation, I give up.

 

[av82eat]

It so easy to hide behind your computers! Isn't it you cowards...none of you would have the b*lls to say this stuff to an african-american pilot's face...maybe you should try it sometime!

 

[MD11Drvr]

It so easy to hide behind your computers! Isn't it you cowards...none of you would have the b*lls to say this stuff to an african-american pilot's face...maybe you should try it sometime!

I have said it many times myself. Like I posted most I have talked to feel that the efforts of these so called leaders cheapen their accomplishments.

 

[michael707767]

It so easy to hide behind your computers! Isn't it you cowards...none of you would have the b*lls to say this stuff to an african-american pilot's face...maybe you should try it sometime!

The last african-american pilot I flew with was pissed about crap like this. Why? He was qualified to get his job and a dam#ed good pilot. He didn't rely on affirmative action.

 

[av82eat]

I agree that in our profession the best qualified, and most proficient applicant should get the job. Those of you who have your noses so high in the air at someone other than a white male can rest easy knowing that no airline HR department would hire solely based on race. Those of you who think african-americans or any other race, or women are getting hired mainly because of race or gender...where is your proof? Why don't you concentrate on keeping the wings level and not who is coming in the HR door! I'm mainly directing these comments to ignorant, bigots like this:

Where's my axle grease when I need it?

 

[av82eat]

Now would black leaders be concerned about Delta's lack of an old wooden ship.:laugh:

Hey jetjock6 why don't you explain this nice comment. Don't forget to use elementary terms so all of your (simple) like-minded friends can understand it.

 

[crj567]

Well-

At least ASA was a great leader in "diversity" by having the first "All-Black, All Female-All star Flight Crew." That was awesome!

-May I suggest a few innovative options Steenland and Anderson can consider:

-First "All-Gold-Toof" flight crew
-First "All-Former-NFL-Gansta-Covict" flight crew (Mike Vick is gettin out!)
-First "All-weave-and-press-on-nails" flightcrew
-First "All-I-Ain't-'Bout-To-Get-Up-To-Serve-No-Drinks-On-Dis-Flight" -lazy-ass flight crew.

-Just go and run with those! I won't charge a thing for the ideas!

-ATL is fertile ground for more important milestones such as these. I am sure RA and Steenland can come up with some more noteworthy exampless of "diversity."

 

[fuzzy077]

Hey jetjock6 why don't you explain this nice comment. Don't forget to use elementary terms so all of your (simple) like-minded friends can understand it.

Ron Burgandy from Anchorman...

 

[pdub20s]

Its a well known fact that Delta doesnt hir black pilots. After being based at 4 different Delta hubs, Ive seen a total of 6 black Delta pilots. American has a lot. So does CAL,UAL, NWA, UPS, FDX, and SWA. Ive seen more black pilots at UPS in 1 month than I ever have at DAL. If your not female or ex military then you dont have a chance in hell.

 

[~~~^~~~]

What?

You serious PDub?

What you wrote is incorrect.

I'd say the mix at Delta is about the same as I've seen anywhere and the reason you might not observe as diverse a group in the terminal where you are at is because a few pilots split their time between flying and management jobs. One of those jobs is managing and participating in pilot recruiting.

Yes, being in the military does help, but we had three minorities in my class. One was a civilian from a Connection carrier.

Providing a candidate meets all the min criteria, then attitude makes most of the difference.

 

[Papa Woody]

The only thing I can say to that article is... the most qualified candidate regardless of race, sex or any other discriminating factor such as these should get the job.. Companies should not be forced to hire based on anything other than the individual's qualifications..

Unfortunately, that comment is considered racist in today's brainwashed America.

Today, that will have you labeled "a racist."

Tomorrow, it may mean fines, jail, complete destruction of one's reputation.

 

[Papa Woody]

When the white man makes an issue of it then you are called a white supremacist.

Take any literature promoting diversity:

Then, change any words applauding diversity, substituting "white" for "African-American."

What do you have?

White-Supremacist Hate-Speech

Examples:

"....promoting the culture, values, and interests of White people"

"...piloted by an all-White crew"

"ATL concessions are preferentially contracted to White-owned companies"

think it's funny?....

 

[Linedriver]

If your not female or ex military then you dont have a chance in hell.

I am neither female nor military and did not come from the commuters. I got hired by Delta without knowing anyone there and didn't have a single letter of recommendation from a Delta pilot.

When I attended a pilot job fair there in Atlanta I met with a black line pilot and had a very pleasant conversation. I left feeling impressed with the professionalism of the folks I met and was hopeful I could be part of it someday.

 

[Linedriver]

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[PeanuckleCRJ]

#1 on the seniority list at Delta is black... he's a lead LCA as well. Very very nice guy.

 

[Bjammin]

It so easy to hide behind your computers! Isn't it you cowards...none of you would have the b*lls to say this stuff to an african-american pilot's face...maybe you should try it sometime!

The ones I know usually say it to me.

Because my company doesn't have to deal with the ACLU or mandated miniority BS, the pilots I fly with, minority or not, all earned the right to be there and we all have respect for each other. With 22 different nationalities on the flight deck it is very refreshing not to have the added BS of discrimination, it just is never an issue.

The black pilots I fly with are sickened by the way certian minority groups in the states take away their credibility and openly have told me so.

 

[LandGreen]

Its a well known fact that Delta doesnt hir black pilots. After being based at 4 different Delta hubs, Ive seen a total of 6 black Delta pilots. American has a lot. So does CAL,UAL, NWA, UPS, FDX, and SWA. Ive seen more black pilots at UPS in 1 month than I ever have at DAL. If your not female or ex military then you dont have a chance in hell.

i may be wrong (maybe retired now)...but isn't the #1 seniority list pilot at Delta African American? He was on the cover of a magazine flying the first 777LR back from Seattle. I would have to say THAT is the best pilot job Delta has to offer...the #1 seniority list position at the largest carrier in the world??!!

i hear he is a blast to fly with and an excellent pilot!

oops! i didn't read all the threads prior to posting...someone beat me to it...apparently he is still flying and not retired.