Big cabin airplane impressions

[G100driver]

Gimme a break on crossing the water in a Falcon 2000EX. Done it lots. Did it 2 x's in Decemeber and once a couple of weeks ago. Yawn.

DOC for Falcon 2000EX is around 1500 hour. I will say the warranty is NOT as strong as Gulfstream. Particularily on labor. Dassault only warranties 6 months on labor.

As for the Legacy in the NAT at .76 or .77, I think you would be hard pressed to operate there. Not a whole lot of 747's and A-330 putting along at those speeds. Sounds like a random route me ... thus more than 30 minutes behind an M.80 airplane.

Good luck on this.

PM me if you have any specific questions or budgetary info on the Falcon 2000EX.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

FOUR GENERATORS? Oh...that RAT thingy.

I'm takin' it all in stride. Cheers!

nope....4 gens, plus a RAT, plus an APU.

guess that plane!

 

[G100driver]

nope....4 gens, plus a RAT, plus an APU.

guess that plane!

The one that NEEDS it

 

[2000flyer]

nope....4 gens, plus a RAT, plus an APU.

guess that plane!

Wow, got me on that one. Can't remember if the Jetstar had a RAT or not. A340? I don't have a clue.

 

[banned username 2]

Wow, got me on that one. Can't remember if the Jetstar had a RAT or not. A340? I don't have a clue.

GLEX...

 

[ultrarunner]

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. (In all honesty, however, what's the time saving between .76M or .77M and .80M going over the pond? Is it really that much? Just wondering if time is *that* critical.)

To do NY - mainland EU in the Legacy would require .74 mach which is 430 kts.

One city pair we are looking at is 3100nm.

Legacy = 7.2 hrs

At .82+ in the G and DA the same city pair is covered in 6.4

Putting aside the fact that that leg would be nearly at the range limit in the L (depending upon WX), it's not so much the 1 hr time savings, but one less additional hr of operational costs.

That adds up over time, and looking at the long term, the G has the edge on a cost per hour basis.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

GLEX...

DOH!

I did like that A-340 suggestion! thats the type of thing I need, get up, stretch, go for a long walk....crew rest on a Queen size bed....

now, how do you get them in the hangar....

 

[2000flyer]

GLEX...

Sheez, and you gave me the clues too....Montreal, Tuscon. Doh! Somebody hit me!

 

[ultrarunner]

DOC for Falcon 2000EX is around 1500 hour. I will say the warranty is NOT as strong as Gulfstream. Particularily on labor. Dassault only warranties 6 months on labor.

Good luck on this.

PM me if you have any specific questions or budgetary info on the Falcon 2000EX.

Thanks G, I appreciate it.

No doubt the DA has the fuel edge. And if Marcel would extend the bumper to bumper out to 5 years P & L it would make the decision tons easier.

I conceed that the EX is likely as much plane as we would need and I'd have no problem doing the crossing in one. However, I need to do the dudiligence on the three competing airframes.

I'll PM you in a week or so and pick your brain on some budgetary intel on teh EX.

thanks again.

 

[2000flyer]

DOH!

I did like that A-340 suggestion! thats the type of thing I need, get up, stretch, go for a long walk....crew rest on a Queen size bed....

now, how do you get them in the hangar....

Where the heck is the fourth gen on a Glex? Oh....thats what the pedals on the FO's side are for!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Where the heck is the fourth gen on a Glex? Oh....thats what the pedals on the FO's side are for!

SIX gens....SIX...and it needs all of them. You know...so 3 or 4 can break and you can still get around!


:0

like I said, Im up for that A340 deal...who needs a hotel...APU PARTY!

 

[Mercury]

We have also been developing a fleet replacement plan and the 2000EX is leading the pack so far. The CL604/605 was condsidered but has taken a back burner due to the decline in product support over the past couple of years. as mentioned earlier, the DA is great for the CONUS, 1900# diff. between max to and max ldg. means lots of home fuel. (I think its 1900# 2000flyer can check me on that). Ran the projected budget for a G350 and couldnt justify it with the higher fuel burns.(still a great aircraft just not right for us im afraid). Id like to hear more about the dispatch reliability on the DA if anyone wants to volunteer . Also do you have to reduce the size of the galley to accomodate ten seats? I think that was mentioned in a previous post. Great discussion so far thanks for all the info!!!

 

[G100driver]

With all that said about warrany ect, we have had very little need to wish that we had an extended labor warranty. We have our own DOM and take advantage of OCIP (progressive mx). Whenever we have a labor warrany issue we can R&R the LRU in less than 1 hour. Including shipping we spent about $4,000 last year in varible MX costs. Quite frankly the airplane does not break very often. We have a Collins (non-EASy) 2000EX.

 

[G100driver]

Also do you have to reduce the size of the galley to accomodate ten seats? I think that was mentioned in a previous post. Great discussion so far thanks for all the info!!!

No. If you have 8 seats the back 4 are the same size as the forward club. If you have 10 seats the aft club seats are smaller to accomidate 6 instead of 4.

We have the latter set up and it works fine. We rarly have more than 6 pax, however.

We have cancled 1 flight in 2 years of operating our 2000EX (non_EASy).

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree with G100, seems we go thousands of hours on Falcons without losing a trip.

I dont like how they fly, dont like how they perform, and dont like how they look....but they dont break.

and thats what matters.