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Big announcement on Tue at Endeavor.

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I can't imagine management didn't know there was a big rumor going around that they were going to make an announcement today. A good management team you would think would've put out a quick "nothing to see here memo move on with your day" if that was the case. Just add it to the pile of let downs the past two years. We are all pretty used to it by now. All of the speculation on the web boards just goes to show you how much this pilot group is in search of a good piece of news for once. Hope that day comes soon for everyone seems like the best shot at that is a phone call from another carrier.
 
If they're like most, mgmt starts the rumors.
 
The announcement is Tuesday. Thats tomorrow. Yes, it was 120 million. I am not sure why I was thinking 600 MIllion. I think that was the Powerball jackpot I wanted to win.
 
xjhawk said:
The announcement is Tuesday. Thats tomorrow. Yes, it was 120 million. I am not sure why I was thinking 600 MIllion. I think that was the Powerball jackpot I wanted to win.
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Aroo? Tuesday was today, April 1. On the east coast it's 12:42am which makes it now April 2 Wednesday.
 
yeah the big announcement is on Tuesday….. it will always be next tuesday…..
 
The only announcement I saw was that ALPA and the company agree that ACARS is now an acceptable way of contacting for a reschedule/extension so that they can contact you right up til block in on the last leg rather than have their crap together and not always play crisis management and be behind the curve. The one slight improvement for reserves has been taken off the table. Thanks ALPA. These new rest rules are a F-ing joke. I'm working more, blocking more per day (thanks to the 9 hours scheduled) feeling more tired than ever.
 
WMUSIGPI said:
The only announcement I saw was that ALPA and the company agree that ACARS is now an acceptable way of contacting for a reschedule/extension so that they can contact you right up til block in on the last leg
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That's the way it's written?

The perfect time to get a "SELCAL" message is during critical phase of flight with an extension message.

I know, I know....professionalism and all that. You have to be a professional no matter what.

Congrats on that steamer.
 
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I love getting the ACARS message that says "don't take off" as you are passing through 10,000 umm, okay. Now what? I also got that from Ops on the Saab as we were rotating. I no longer listen to number 2 radio during take off.
 
You don't have an ACARS inhibitor during critical stages of flight?
 
That crap needs to be submitted to a ASAP report. FAA in addition to your Co reviews it too.
 
Nevets said:
You can ASAP anything. Especially when there is a violation as is the case in this instance.
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DX or scheduling (if they are included in the program) should be the one filling out the ASAP. Receiving an ACARS message during a critical phase of flight will not get you in hot water with the FAA. ASAP will do nothing for you in this case. ASAP is for when you messed up. A FSR is to report a flight safety issue. The FAA sees those too.
 
You guys don't have a Chimes off setting? Cause all the rest of the industry does, oh and the have :...........also.
 
Carl_Spackler said:
DX or scheduling (if they are included in the program) should be the one filling out the ASAP. Receiving an ACARS message during a critical phase of flight will not get you in hot water with the FAA. ASAP will do nothing for you in this case. ASAP is for when you messed up. A FSR is to report a flight safety issue. The FAA sees those too.
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I stand behind my comment. You can ASAP anything, including others' violations. This will work at any company that has ASAP. I know that our other channel is not seen by the FAA. Which is why I recommended the ASAP. That will always work at any company. I'm not familiar with yours or what an fsr is.
 
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Carl_Spackler said:
DX or scheduling (if they are included in the program) should be the one filling out the ASAP. Receiving an ACARS message during a critical phase of flight will not get you in hot water with the FAA. ASAP will do nothing for you in this case. ASAP is for when you messed up. A FSR is to report a flight safety issue. The FAA sees those too.
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Uh, incorrect and no. Apparently someone needs to read 120-66B. I've taken the opportunity to provide the link. https://www.faa.gov/regulations_pol....cfm/go/document.information/documentID/23207
 
Has been like 6 yrs since I worked there, but I seem to recall that the ACARs SELCAL audible alerts were inhibited when flaps >0. Not sure if is the case anymore. Doesn't cover the other 90% of the time you're in sterile flt deck territory. I remember literally almost missing critical vectors and altitudes under 10,000ft when that damn thing went off...as well as taxi-in instructions. Truly a dangerous situation then and still is now..AND I CAN'T BELIEVE THE FEDS HAVEN'T CHANGED IT!!
 
I'm speaking for Endeavor. Sure you can file an ASAP for anything, but we have flight safety reports that can be used for safety related issues where someone else screwed up.

If you want to be a check airman, one of the things that the FAA looks at before you are approved is the number of ASAPs that you have filed. I'm not sure if they look at the content or just the volume. Also for the SSP Delta has all access to 9E records. Sick calls, fatigue, discipline, training records, ASAP.

People are free to do as they please, but I only ASAP when I mess up.
 
They can't look at the ASAPs, even for LCA applicants. I know DAL has it on their app, but that's being appealed. And believe me, if you want to know who has the most ASAPs on file, it's check airman doing new hire OE.
 
Carl_Spackler said:
I'm speaking for Endeavor. Sure you can file an ASAP for anything, but we have flight safety reports that can be used for safety related issues where someone else screwed up.

If you want to be a check airman, one of the things that the FAA looks at before you are approved is the number of ASAPs that you have filed. I'm not sure if they look at the content or just the volume. Also for the SSP Delta has all access to 9E records. Sick calls, fatigue, discipline, training records, ASAP.

People are free to do as they please, but I only ASAP when I mess up.
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You need to read the ASAP MOU. In it, it will dictate what they can and can't use ASAP information for.
 
Cornholing is no longer mandatory, but will occur on request, first come first served.
 
Nevets said:
You need to read the ASAP MOU. In it, it will dictate what they can and can't use ASAP information for.
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Ah yes. Employers are also prohibited from discriminating on an number of factors. They do it all of the time, but you can't prove it. Same for the contract. They know what it says, but still do what they want.
 
It's inhibited when flaps are out of 0. I can't find in the book anywhere else, but I'm pretty sure you can still get the ACARS MESSAGE status when outside the final takeoff mode (rotation) and under 500 ft. Meaning at 600 ft agl on departure you will get the status, but no "selcal" oral with flaps out of zero. Going through the books doesn't clearly state all the situations through IAPS to feed the EICAS from vhf3 acars/selcal. Looking for the bombardier book, as the PSM from bombardier and the company SYS manual don't have the full system logic, as we can't change it (legally).

I get the shakes after being reminded of the "CA call scheduling" acars on the last day...just when I thought I was going home.
 
higney85 said:
It's inhibited when flaps are out of 0. I can't find in the book anywhere else, but I'm pretty sure you can still get the ACARS MESSAGE status when outside the final takeoff mode (rotation) and under 500 ft. Meaning at 600 ft agl on departure you will get the status, but no "selcal" oral with flaps out of zero. Going through the books doesn't clearly state all the situations through IAPS to feed the EICAS from vhf3 acars/selcal. Looking for the bombardier book, as the PSM from bombardier and the company SYS manual don't have the full system logic, as we can't change it (legally).

I get the shakes after being reminded of the "CA call scheduling" acars on the last day...just when I thought I was going home.
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Here's to making sure no ice accumulated on the flaps on approach!
 
Carl_Spackler said:
Ah yes. Employers are also prohibited from discriminating on an number of factors. They do it all of the time, but you can't prove it. Same for the contract. They know what it says, but still do what they want.
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Well, if your union ASAP ERC member doesn't do anything about it, then I guess the company and the FAA can use that information for whatever they want that day.
 

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