Big annoncement by CAL tomorrow

[TOOL CRIB]

Sh*t!....are they gonna have to furlough? I hope not. My friend just got on there after he left TSA because they were getting screwed by gojets.....maybe its my friend thats bad luck...haha....but seriously I hope things turn around at ASA

No, ASA is not furloughing. In fact, mgmt says we will be hiring early next year. 79%N1 is just a pessimistic drama queen who can't watch enough daytime soap operas to fulfill himself.

 

[www.]

No, ASA is not furloughing. In fact, mgmt says we will be hiring early next year. 79%N1 is just a pessimistic drama queen who can't watch enough daytime soap operas to fulfill himself.

No, he's a 400 hour wonder that wants to upgrade when he gets 1500. Sad thing is the contract requires 3000tt.

 

[Blucher]

No, he's a 400 hour wonder that wants to upgrade when he gets 1500. Sad thing is the contract requires 3000tt.

Come on now, we all know the company waves that one whenever they feel like it. Remember the Brasilia?

 

[www.]

Come on now, we all know the company waves that one whenever they feel like it. Remember the Brasilia?

That is correct but not on the CRJ.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Wasn't this a CAL announcement thread?

 

[www.]

Wasn't this a CAL announcement thread?

Here it is! S

SuperKooter is fired and is going back to ASA on the bottom of the list!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Here it is! S

SuperKooter is fired and is going back to ASA on the bottom of the list!

Why'd he get fired? Didn't they like the way he dumped their lavs?

 

[79%N1]

No, he's a 400 hour wonder that wants to upgrade when he gets 1500. Sad thing is the contract requires 3000tt.

Aaaah, sorry. Wrong. Try again. Hired at ASA with over 4,000 hrs. Second airline. 4+ years in the right side at ASA. 6 1/2 total. Almost 8,000 hour FO.

Do I want to upgrade, yes. For the obvious reasons.

Am I a 'pessimistic drama queen'? Maybe, you can decide. All I am doing is stating what the "Fleet Plan" is according to our esteemed mismanagement, and what my fearless leader Scott Hall told me the other day. In fact, I'm sure we won't furlough due to the insane attrition at the bottom of the list. However, if we lose 26 airframes (13 700's, 14 ATR) as mismanagement has advertised....there will have to be captains going back to the right seat. Only time will tell, I like you all, hope not. Is all the management doom of aircraft transfers a negotiating ploy? We'll soon see.

 

[thebest]

You guys ruined your regional industry by accepting substandard wages when your airline WASN'T in BK or under the threat. That is the difference, and you know it. Strike two dork..... Sounds like you forgot you started this whole downhill slide for the regionals. Up to 99 seats for 50 seat wages? You have got to be kidding me? You were on the verge of BK, right? The judge was ready to pull the plug with the creditors, right? Right?

And, I haven't been hiding, but rather waiting for another SkyWest screw up. I bet I will see it soon....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Haaahah! Funny general! I think you said Delta would never move the 50 seat scope...how many seats they flying now gen? pilot's crumble under the pressure? Substandard wages??? You are one to talk....later! THEBEST

 

[Little Mojito]

I never reply on these threads for fear that I may turn into a loser like Jen Pee, but I just had to make sure I understood this Delta moron correctly: If SKYW was in BK, then it would be okay for SKYW pilots to fly up to 99 seat a/c for 50 seat wages? I guess what really bothers Jen Pee is that SKYW's future is not at risk. I suppose if the SKYW pilots were replaced with Delta pilots, then things would be different. They would hold SKYW hostage and force them to pay higher wages. They would continue to demand more and more until they drive SKYW into BK. Then, and only then, would it be okay for them to do what the SKYW pilots are already doing. The only exception: SKYW hasn't forloughed and the company is one of the most financially sound in the industry. So to recap....according to Jen Pee, it's okay for the SKYW pilots to fly 70 seat a/c for 50 seat rates, but only if the company is in BK, losing money, forloughing pilots, and has no idea of what the future holds. Hmmm.....am I missing something?

--Mojito

 

[thebest]

I never reply on these threads for fear that I may turn into a loser like Jen Pee, but I just had to make sure I understood this Delta moron correctly: If SKYW was in BK, then it would be okay for SKYW pilots to fly up to 99 seat a/c for 50 seat wages? I guess what really bothers Jen Pee is that SKYW's future is not at risk. I suppose if the SKYW pilots were replaced with Delta pilots, then things would be different. They would hold SKYW hostage and force them to pay higher wages. They would continue to demand more and more until they drive SKYW into BK. Then, and only then, would it be okay for them to do what the SKYW pilots are already doing. The only exception: SKYW hasn't forloughed and the company is one of the most financially sound in the industry. So to recap....according to Jen Pee, it's okay for the SKYW pilots to fly 70 seat a/c for 50 seat rates, but only if the company is in BK, losing money, forloughing pilots, and has no idea of what the future holds. Hmmm.....am I missing something?

--Mojito

Right on!

 

[thebest]

This is what you said....."There very well could be a TA allowing those planes, but then we have to vote on it. I will bet that atleast 50.1% will vote DOWN any TA that has scope erosion. And, the DL Lawyer---Jack Gallehger, who was Lorenzo's attorney back in the day---already said at the initial part of the 1113c hearing with Judge Prudy that "we will fly the 90 seaters with 70 seats if we have to." Wow, that really will be expensive, and to make that work I bet pay cuts would have to be major. Think about it, 20 less seats than certified. Or, even if it could have 9 more seats, like the CRJ-705--that is 9 seats that will have to be made up with lower pilot and stew costs. That would be interesting. JA doesn't care.


Their best line at management is "well, we have already ordered them so we have to have them now....." Sounds like you can defer them just like you did our extra 738's and 777s. Give them to someone else. I won't vote yes to allow them.

Bye Bye--General Lee" http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=76974

50.1% gonna vote down that scope erosion? You didn't vote yes but it still happened. But hey, you got 76 seats and the pilot's and stew's made it up by take deep paycuts. Well done...go alpa? General, you're THEBEST

 

[viper548]

Anyone else notice how General Lee is the first to bash SkyWest at any given chance? Hey GL, how is the SLC-ASE flying working out for you guys? Who paid all the costs of getting the CRJ-700 certified into ASE? United and SkyWest did. Shortly thereafter Delta announced SLC-ASE.
General also despises the fact that Delta pays for SkyWest's fuel. SkyWest and United have created a very comprehensive fuel conservation program which Delta will benefit from. That's gonna save Delta millions of dollars every year, are they gonna share that with you? Gonna get any of that paycut(s) back? It will line the pockets of Mgmt most likely.

 

[strega7]

And remember when he freaked out when certain CRJ's couldn't do CATII approaches for a while and his cousin got stuck somewhere in the SLC system during a storm? Or when SBS crashed at Comair and he didn't say much when the entire airline was idled for a day and a half? Makes you wonder.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

How about that. A business day come and gone with no "big announcement". Shocking.

 

[SkyNation]

Well junior, it's like this. I do not work for a Regional.

When you say you "make more", what are you comparing. Total W2? How many hours does the example pilot fly? How many TAFB hours is he exposed to? How many days off in a month does said pilot get?

And about the rants, if your numbers are correct on your screen name you haven't been around long enough to rant. If you have to do it, do it to your mommy. She's use to it by now.

Well Sport, it's like this. This is the Regional board.

Yes, I'm comparing W2s. Hourly rate is only part of the equation.

As for the rants. Worked for 3 airlines, former ALPA, knockin' on 40. How long does someone have to be around for you to accept the position as plausible? Oh yeah, unless they have a hard on for ALPA, you probably don't care. Seems to be the norm.

 

[WhatRUSmokinGL?]

JennPee Quote

"We have given enough, and we are NOT flexible on a few items--like continued pay cuts, scope erosion, and lack of pension credit. No flexibility there."

And to set the record strait, she voted YES to letting scope go after parading around saying she wouldn't.

 

[AWACoff]

Lance, thanks for being the weakest link. No announcement, surprise, surpise......

Regarding SKYW.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/07_06/07_06_tprop_80.htm

Sit tight for the annoucement!

 

[Mercyful Fate]

JennPee Quote

"We have given enough, and we are NOT flexible on a few items--like continued pay cuts, scope erosion, and lack of pension credit. No flexibility there."

And to set the record strait, she voted YES to letting scope go after parading around saying she wouldn't.

I 2nd that comment....

COMEDY

 

[MarineGrunt]

http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/07_06/07_06_tprop_80.htm

Sit tight for the annoucement!

That article is 4 months old. You gotta do better than that... STATE SOURCE.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Well Sport, it's like this. This is the Regional board.

Yes, I'm comparing W2s. Hourly rate is only part of the equation.

As for the rants. Worked for 3 airlines, former ALPA, knockin' on 40. How long does someone have to be around for you to accept the position as plausible? Oh yeah, unless they have a hard on for ALPA, you probably don't care. Seems to be the norm.

Your a fricken broken record with this hourly rate is only part of the equation crap. You post it on just about every thread regarding Skywest not to mention the fact the you make as much as captains do at other airlines ( and you say it like you are not the exception to the norm).
We all know how it works, and guess what...Skywest isn't the only one that has those things in place, in fact I would bet that the only reason you do have those money making tools in place is because your company had to copykat the things that ALPA and other union carriers fought hard for.

My favorite was when you tried to convince us that your bossman was brilliant enough to find other ways to pay you so he could "shop" your hourly rates as competitive to pick up new code shares. Are you on crack?

 

[General Lee]

JennPee Quote

"We have given enough, and we are NOT flexible on a few items--like continued pay cuts, scope erosion, and lack of pension credit. No flexibility there."

And to set the record strait, she voted YES to letting scope go after parading around saying she wouldn't.

Wow, that was wonderful. It brought back soooo many good memories, including the one that is actually true----I hadn't even seen the actual TA when I spouted that stuff. I guess I should have just voted YES, instead of actually voting my concious. And, I could have told you dorks that I had voted NO anyway, but I did not. It was the right vote, and trying to compare my situation to yours is laughable. You go girl!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[n757st]

http://www.ainonline.com/Issues/07_06/07_06_tprop_80.htm

Sit tight for the annoucement!

Saab 2000's and Commutair getting 340b's.... this is certainly a reliable source of information.

 

[FlyinPiker]

and yet our pilots make more than Mesa pilots, even on our 'inferior' payscale. JA found a way to pay us more outside of hourly rates. Our scheduling, Perf Rewards, rigs, etc., in the end add up to a point where we earn more. That way, when JA goes shopping for business, and he can advertise the hourly rate (which, BTW, has a whole lot more in it than pilot pay), and compete.

Hilarious...did you come up with this or did one of your kids.

 

[rtmcfi]

Wow, that was wonderful. It brought back soooo many good memories, including the one that is actually true----I hadn't even seen the actual TA when I spouted that stuff. I guess I should have just voted YES, instead of actually voting my concious. And, I could have told you dorks that I had voted NO anyway, but I did not. It was the right vote, and trying to compare my situation to yours is laughable. You go girl!


Bye Bye--General Lee

General-
Pee and moan all you want, but the fact remains, you and your peers created this mess by repeatedly giving up scope. Your vote helped create your own furloughees destruction.

 

[FlyinPiker]

We have fought/will continue to fight for a split rate or blended rate. However, as long as we make more in the end, I don't see what everyone is moaning about. Maybe you should find a way to make more outside of hourly rates as well. It's all part of competition, and those who cling to outdated methods and resist innovation will surely fail.

haters, pile on!!!!!!!!!

Well that's just f'in great isn't it. I see airplanes being transferred from ASA to your fleet...yeah they really screwed themselves with the "outdated" concept of getting paid more to fly a larger airframe. Thank you for leading the way. Your little agreement has already been thrown in the face of the PSA pilots...I'm sure they would like to thank you as well. Mesaba, 9E, Comair, etc, etc...are all having to fight off what you guys already sold down the river.

Keep up the good fight in trying to get your split rate/blended rate...then you can join the rest of us if we haven't already been sucked down by the status quo set by your pilot group. If that does happen, are you going to help us fight to get it back?

 

[Superpilot92]

Saab 2000's and Commutair getting 340b's.... this is certainly a reliable source of information.

Yeah i think its already been announced that commuteair is getting Dash's. This article is from this month and doesnt even know that? We shall see

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Wow, that was wonderful. It brought back soooo many good memories, including the one that is actually true----I hadn't even seen the actual TA when I spouted that stuff. I guess I should have just voted YES, instead of actually voting my concious. And, I could have told you dorks that I had voted NO anyway, but I did not. It was the right vote, and trying to compare my situation to yours is laughable. You go girl!


Bye Bye--General Lee

I could have written that word for word before you even did...General you realize your a joke around here right?

 

[PCL_128]

It was the right vote

You have got to be kidding me!!! You can't still possibly believe that that was the right vote now that Delta is turning sizable profits. I can (barely) understand your thinking that it was the right vote at the time, but still believing that now that you have 20/20 hindsight and can see that Delta was just fine without those concessions? Come on, General. You can't possibly be that dense. Just admit that you made a stupid vote and we'll move on.