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xjhawk

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I just got an E mail from one of our (XJ)Captains based in Dtw. The e mail was quickly deleted after i realised it was about an invitation to a gathering of someone preaching JEsus. To me, religion is a private thing, and something i do not want shoved in my face at work, or on my e mail account. What does others think about all this? Oh and by the way, if this contunues, i will notify the proper people to have this stopped. Oh and again, by the way, do not try to save me or convert me to your brand of christianity or chrsitianity for that matter.
 
If someone offered you a plate of cookies, you could say thank you or you could politely decline. I'm sure if you politely declined, your associate would take no offense. Likewise, I'm certain no offense were intended in the offer. He sees it as having something good that he wants to share. That's not a bad thing. If someone offers to take me out for a night of drinkin' and hangin' with the ladies, I am sure they mean no offense to me and I would politely decline. You certainly have a right to react angrily, but why would you?
 
Andy,

I think the distinction b/w your two examples is that a night out with the boys is an inherently social thing, and as such, is not generally considered out of place if brought up in a social context. Now, while some may practice drinkin' and skirt-chasin' with the passion of a religion, an unsolicited invite to a religious meeting would be considered socially awkward by many, offensive by more than just some. To be fair, I think the same would apply to someone coming out and suggesting a night in the strip-club to his/her crew completely out of the blue (wow, I just equated Jesus with a lap-dancer!).

I don't know if the above guy's invite was related to work, but everyone knows the old rule-of-thumb against bringing up religion or politics in the cockpit; people get too worked up about it and the passions they stir up can interfere with one's ability to conduct operations smoothly.

Religion is a private matter. If you want to be social in a religious context, do it at church/religious-themed events, etc.

Just one guy's view, FWIW...

P.S. (and I don't me this to be taken personally): I know there are some places where religion is more tightly would up in the whole social/political scene, but you must admit that one of those places in the mountains of the western U.S. is "unique" among these 50 states.
 
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Wow...we're parking 10 Saabs (B+ models no less), 9 Avros with the possibility of the entire Avro fleet, we're going to furlough, concession talks are on the horizon, we might be declaring bankruptcy any time now, and you get angry over this!?!

Let go......let go.....

The force will be with you always.
 
kmox29 said:
Wow...we're parking 10 Saabs (B+ models no less), 9 Avros with the possibility of the entire Avro fleet, we're going to furlough, concession talks are on the horizon, we might be declaring bankruptcy any time now, and you get angry over this!?!

Let go......let go.....

The force will be with you always.

NO DOUBT! Just say "no thank you" and be on your way. It sounds like you've got MUCH bigger things to worry about.
 
I would say to just respectfully decline. IF you decide to notify the proper people to cease having this type of thing shoved in your face, someone else down the line may have one or more of your offensive behaviors put into check.

Just be a nice guy. Kind of like the other pilot was being nice in wanting to include you in something.
 
xjhawk, I'm sensing lots of built up hostility over nothing. Is this "problem" really that significant? No offense, but take a chill pill and decline.

MM
 
kmox29 said:
Wow...we're parking 10 Saabs (B+ models no less), 9 Avros with the possibility of the entire Avro fleet, we're going to furlough, concession talks are on the horizon, we might be declaring bankruptcy any time now, and you get angry over this!?!

Let go......let go.....

The force will be with you always.
I'd say this is the reason you should be going to the prayer gathering.
 
He probably received some sort of impression from you that you might be interested. Obviously it was very misinterpreted. Relax, count to ten, and brush it off. If he is persistent, do as Jesus would do, decline respectfully. (Please sense sarcasm)
 
Don't get your panties in a wad. Lighten up. Did some one touch a tender nerve?

Unless the person was insulting or harassing you a simple no should be sufficient.

Most of my co-workers know that I don't drink/party but if someone happens to invite me to go out with them for a "good time", I simply say "no thanks". If they push the issue I will then go on to tell the my reasons for not desiring to participate in their selected activities.

BTW I have invited many co-workers to church activities. Many have declined although some have accepted the invitation. However I don't think anyone was offended by the invitation as you seem to be.
 
Nope. I chose to pray to an invisible all knowing pink dragon. The pink dragon is omnipitant and is all knowing. I take supreme comfort in knowing that the pink dragon has a plan for me.

Please enlighten me on FSM as I am open to learning about new religious faiths.
 
Get over it XJHawk. If your not interested then just politely decline. I have a few guesses who sent it and they are all great guys and meant you no disrespect. Your over reaction to this gesture really shows your true colors. Grow up.
 
How can anybody eat cold pizza?
 
I would just politely decline and say, "Thanks, I would like to join you but it conflicts with my meeting at the Satanic worship club, maybe next time." That should eliminate the possibility for any future invitations.
 
I was flying once when the fella next to me (the CA) asked if he could eat. I was fine with that and he proceeded to set up his prayer thrown (it was unbelieveable) prior to eating at 30,000 feet. After 5 minutes of praying while I watched with my mouth on the floor - he ate his lunch. If nothing else it was entertaining. It was his thing - who was I to give a hoot. I suspect that you're the closed minded type (no, I'm not a thumper myself). Just relax, say no thanks, and put your energy into something that matters TO YOU. In other words - get over it pal.

AZT - non-bible thumper
 
lol i'd use this guy's e mail addy to sign him up at a a porn site, midgets and dogs or something

that ought to give the messenger a new perspective on life

dumb azz
 
I agree with XJHawk on this. There was a guy at my compnay who was a J-Freak, and he would post info about his christian aviation group on our pilot bitch board. Not my thing, so I just ignore the posts.

But, if he went out and sent these messages to everyone on the pilot email list (including me), that's another matter. I wouldn't send everyone an email inviting them to my wiccan gay-lesbiantransgendered alliance peta gatherings, recognizing that not everyone would be interested in such things and that some might be offended. That's all.
 
wiccan gay-lesbiantransgendered alliance peta gatherings....really..what chapter?
 
rightrudder said:
But, if he went out and sent these messages to everyone on the pilot email list (including me), that's another matter.


I guarentee this isnt the case. Somehow he must have confused XJHawk as someone who would have cared. If this guy would have sent an email for a lunch party with spirits you wouldnt have thought twice, but he mentioned that he wanted to get some christian people together to share fellowship in this hard time. Why would you be so offended to be included on that list?

I am scratching my head at this. Maybe you should show up. It might do you some good. Not that Its any of my business, but it makes me sad.

You'll be in my prayers XJHawk.
 
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Awesome site!

xjhawk,

Like many posters have alluded to, don't take any offense. Life's too short to get offended by well-meaning folks who were only trying to do you what they percieve to be a favor. As long as it's not part of the cockpit environment.
 
Just curious, to whom are you going to complain ? Did he send it while on duty? Where you forced to read it on duty? Did he use a company computer to send the email out?

What the hell is the company going to do? Don't make your email address public.
 
okay, or those of you telling me to chill out, you do not get the point.....was there any !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or me saying i was pissed off? I more ofr less put this up to maybe get the hint across that its not appropriate to get my e mial from wherever ( or any other contact info) Where did he get it? Will anyone else get my contact info if they want to invite me to other such gatherings? FOr those of you telling me to chill out, you are obviously one of those who want religion shoved in thier faces, i am not one of them, and i should not have to politely refuse through my contact information provided to the company or union.....to unsolicited non-company or union functions. Yes, i would politiely refuse if asked in the crew room, i am not a rude or mean person, But if my PRIVATE conact information is being stolen so these people organizing these events can boost their numbers of attendance....thats illegal......and that my frineds is my point enough said...............oh and by the way, i am trying not to worry about all the other crap happening
 
Well, if you're so offended that you read this in your personal email, be a man about it. Email him back and tell him what a lousy jerk he is. Be a man and stand up for yourself.
 

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