Best way to FedEx

[TonyC]

FYI...it takes some internals 2 or 3 tries to get hired. It is a TOUGH process, and because the internals are "automatic" sometimes they are looked at with some skepticism. Just "meeting the mins" and getting the call certainly doesn't mean you will get hired.

That coin, of course, has two sides. Some externals take 2 or 3 tries to get hired - no different from internals. Most externals will give up after one rejection. I might suggest that internals are more persistent in going for the second or third interview, and certainly more successful in obtaining the additional interview opportunities if they wish.

As far as facing a different level of scrutiny, I don't quite agree with you. I disagree with your suggestion that there is a higher standard because internals are frowned on. Panel interviews for internals include a third panelist, a company personnel representative, to insure and attest that the employee is treated fairly in the process. An external applicant that is rejected has no recourse. An internal applicant that is rejected can appeal under the company's Guaranteed Fair Treatment program. If he feels that he is qualified and has been rejected due to someone's unfair bias or other unfair treatment, he can begin an administrative process to attempt to overturn the decision. I believe the company goes out of its way to avoid such scenarios.

The most ambiguous requirement, and the one that is most difficult to maintain, is the "recency of experience" requirement. While you suggested that one "maintain a backup plan and keep [them]self current," I can't overemphasize the importance of staying current as an essential element of the PRIMARY plan. If you can't "throw boxes" and continue to fly, you might be throwing in vain. It's the difficult balancing act of keeping the FedEx job, where you're more or less expected to come when called, make that schedule primary in your life, etc., and keep the flying gig. If you can successfully juggle those two, and you're a nice enough fella, I don't think you can go wrong.


You'd be surprised by the number of folks who started out as couriers, handlers, mechanics, customer service reps, hazardous goods specialists, dispatchers, ... the list goes on. I met a 4-digit employee nember Captain the other day (while standing on the sidewalk in front of AOC sporting my new hat) who started as a courier. They're everywhere.





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[WillowRunVortex]

I would tell him to go back and fly KC-10's in the military, become an IP, get out, joing the Guard/Reserve, and fly Part 121 Regionals while his application sits in Memphis. Check both blocks "Mil" and "Part 121" on the application

oh yeah, update every 3-6 months and find three people who have actually flown with you and are also employed by FedEx

also join 164th AW at Memphis (see "3 people" comment above) and start going to NASCAR and get involved in the Memphis auto racing scense, since Jack Lewis hangs out with that crowd supposedly

PRICELESS

 

[SquirrelDog]

I thought the quickest way was in a box

 

[410dude]

Yeah? Well I know like 5 white males that got hired at ATA (a few years back) with 1000 less PIC and total time than I had. They never even called me.

I am just wondering when some of you will stop milking what happened at United over 10 years ago and blaming not getting hired on all us evil women.

It cracks me up because my new hire class at UPS had 15 white males. The new hire class before mine had ALL white males. The new hire class after mine had 20 white males out of 21 new hires. Spitfire, you better become an astronaut because all of us ladies are stealing all your jobs......so you better fly the space shuttle to be competitive with all of us. Oh, did I mention that I had 800 TT when I got hired at UPS?

So, did you finally get on with UPS? If so, congrats!

 

[capt. megadeth]

So, did you finally get on with UPS? If so, congrats!

Thanks!

 

[410dude]

Thanks!

So I take it that you did? What was you class date and what a/c did they put you in?

 

[airmasn]

For those of you who work at FedEx...can a new hire or a probationary pilot sponsor someone? The only people I know flying at FedEx have been there less than a year.
thanks

 

[Avro Man]

By UPS'ing your resume immediately!

Ok seriously though, hop on Northwest to MEM, take a cab around to the Fed Ex side of the airport, then kiss all the arse you can.

 

[whiskeycharlie]

Can getting on with a Fedex feeder like Empire Airlines and flying Fokker f27's or ATR 42's lead to a pilot slot with Fedex? Its turboprop time, but could this still be an advantage?

 

[Princedietrich]

The best way to get to Fed Ex in a few easy steps:

1. Go to Kinkos

2. Grab a Fed Ex box and put stuff in it

3. Slap a Fed Ex label on the side

4. Drop it in a Fed Ex dropbox and pay someone.


Voila!

 

[thunderworm]

empire does have an excutive refferal program but no one wants to try it therefore no one has made it that way. i don't know why this is maybe tired of night frieght. you would think that being in their system would be a bonus hard to tell with no precedts.i am not the person who knows how fex sees this.

 

[dueguard1]

If your friend is female or part of a "minority" they may get hired before the interview is even over!! I have a friend (no 121PIC at all) interviewed and hired at Continental on the spot. I know of two others at my company that just got hired at UPS......none with "the curse of the cracker boy"!

What a Wad of crap Spitfire.............Tell you what!.. next time you're prancing around a terminal count out maybe fifty pilots you see and I'll bet you it's less than five are minority or female. I'm sorry but aviation is still the"ol boys" network as a profession, and it is certainly not emblematical of the demographic makeup of the United States. It's still ten times as hard for a minority/female candidate to even much less get an interview if you're not carrying the White anglo male Go card..............The percentages are even ten times more staggering if you're talking about the corporate flying arena. I have a friend of mine who his Lebonese and has a Muslim name, he has qualifying times well over what most Regionals ask and he's still stuck in a 172 (going on 4 years)......I know for a fact these HR departments toss his resume as soon as the see his name on the top of the resume....What a shame? America the beautiful Huh? Makes me wonder?

 

[UsAirship]

What a Wad of crap Spitfire.............Tell you what!.. next time you're prancing around a terminal count out maybe fifty pilots you see and I'll bet you it's less than five are minority or female. I'm sorry but aviation is still the"ol boys" network as a profession, and it is certainly not emblematical of the demographic makeup of the United States. It's still ten times as hard for a minority/female candidate to even much less get an interview if you're not carrying the White anglo male Go card..............The percentages are even ten times more staggering if you're talking about the corporate flying arena. I have a friend of mine who his Lebonese and has a Muslim name, he has qualifying times well over what most Regionals ask and he's still stuck in a 172 (going on 4 years)......I know for a fact these HR departments toss his resume as soon as the see his name on the top of the resume....What a shame? America the beautiful Huh? Makes me wonder?

You are correct walking around the terminal, you see more white male pilots than any other denominator. That is because more men than woman choose this career. I have never witnessed any racism in the Airlines, I have worked with many black, latino, asian, and even French guy. I have never seen them treated as anything other then piece of turd pilot like the rest of us. That being said, there is a requirement of companies to demonstrate ethnic diversity of its employees. Being that less woman and those of different ethnic backgorounds apply for jobs they have a higher likelyhood of being hired.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I have never seen them treated as anything other then piece of turd pilot like the rest of us.

Plus, then we have to deal with our own fellow pilots making comments under their breath because they automatically think we were just handed the job. I wonder how much experience some of the macho "women are stealing our jobs" men think would make us worthy to actually get a pilot job and not make automatic assumptions. Anyone????

 

[Steve]

You are correct walking around the terminal, you see more white male pilots than any other denominator. That is because more men than woman choose this career. I have never witnessed any racism in the Airlines, I have worked with many black, latino, asian, and even French guy. I have never seen them treated as anything other then piece of turd pilot like the rest of us. That being said, there is a requirement of companies to demonstrate ethnic diversity of its employees. Being that less woman and those of different ethnic backgorounds apply for jobs they have a higher likelyhood of being hired.

Hi USAirship,

When did you fly the sks600 blimp? Would you mind answering a few questions about the biz? You can PM me. Thanks Steve

 

[FN FAL]

You are correct walking around the terminal, you see more white male pilots than any other denominator. That is because more men than woman choose this career. I have never witnessed any racism in the Airlines, I have worked with many black, latino, asian...

That's because black, latino and asian parents are smart enough to tell their children, "No...you're going to school to be a..."

• Doctor
• Lawyer
• Dentite
• Teacher
• Phlebotomist
• Musician
• Artiste
• Chef
• Engineer
• Class II or III SOT
• Fill in the blank

 

[stonewall]

For those of you who work at FedEx...can a new hire or a probationary pilot sponsor someone? The only people I know flying at FedEx have been there less than a year.
thanks

Yes, you can sponsor someone from day one at Fedex.

 

[NookyBooky]

What a Wad of crap Spitfire.............Tell you what!.. next time you're prancing around a terminal count out maybe fifty pilots you see and I'll bet you it's less than five are minority or female. I'm sorry but aviation is still the"ol boys" network as a profession, and it is certainly not emblematical of the demographic makeup of the United States. It's still ten times as hard for a minority/female candidate to even much less get an interview if you're not carrying the White anglo male Go card..............The percentages are even ten times more staggering if you're talking about the corporate flying arena. I have a friend of mine who his Lebonese and has a Muslim name, he has qualifying times well over what most Regionals ask and he's still stuck in a 172 (going on 4 years)......I know for a fact these HR departments toss his resume as soon as the see his name on the top of the resume....What a shame? America the beautiful Huh? Makes me wonder?

White people are the overwhelming majority of country music consumers/artist too. Does that make Willie Nelson a racist too?

White go card? Go to any flight school and tell me how many non white students you see. That might explain why there is not more non-white people in professional aviation. You got to learn how to fly first.

As for you muslim friend. I agree with ya- he's f*cked.

 

[fokkers&beer]

EXECUTIVE REFERAL-

Been There, Done That, Got the T Shirt-

NO CALLS.


Man, and I thought that was my way out of this hell hole.

 

[MRW]

Is it true that FEDEX requires you to have already filed your separation papers with the active duty before they will even look at interviewing you? I am currently an IP/SEFE in an active duty fighter squadron and wanting to maneuver over to FEDEX. Let me know if anyone has any thoughts.