Best View Limiting Device?

[mocaman]

I'm about to start instrument training and I just want to find the best view limiting device. What did everyone use? So far I have tried the ASA's gray hood and that was ok... but I was looking and saw some device that clips on glasses and flips up if need be. Thanks

 

[Aeronca]

Probably not what you are looking for, but in my limited experience, I think the Francis IFR hood is the best. I think it's too easy to cheat with the Jiffy hood and Foggles.

Good Luck.

Francis Hood

 

[KickSave]

Best view limiting device? A cumulous cloud!


No, I had a DE bust my chops for using those Jepp flip up shades. He said they were too easy to cheat, they don't completely block the view. He recomended a full hood type, like this Jiffyhood

http://www.avshop.com/catalog/product.html?productid=785&categoryid=76

 

[cessna_driver2]

I've used the francis IFR hood. That blocks everything out.

If you wear glasses, it's a little uncomfortable due to it pushing back on the glasses. I have also tried on (but not in flight) some from VIBAN. Here is a link to what they look like. They felt quite comfortable.

http://www.pilotshop-usa.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1725

 

[MetroSheriff]

I'm about to start instrument training and I just want to find the best view limiting device.

Clouds...

 

[typhoonpilot]

Foggles

My vote goes to Foggles. I found them much more comfortable to wear for long periods during training. As an instructor I much preferred them as they didn't limit my outside view as much when I was looking across the students side for traffic. I don't buy the cheating argument. With any of the devices cheating is possible.

Typhoonpilot

 

[Kent4]

The Francis hood can be a pain to remove if you wear glasses, especially right at the DH when you're trying to doing a few things at once. I started with glasses, but switched to my contacts whenever I wear the hood. Works great.

 

[JimNtexas]

Best view limiting device? A cumulous cloud!


No, I had a DE bust my chops for using those Jepp flip up shades. He said they were too easy to cheat, they don't completely block the view. He recomended a full hood type, like this Jiffyhood

http://www.avshop.com/catalog/product.html?productid=785&categoryid=76

I bought one of those two days ago. If your hat size is greater than 7 1/2 then it is too small.

 

[labbats]

I use foggles.

Then every-other lesson or so, to make sure they aren't looking up, I take a sectional and put it in front of their side of the windshield, and a piece of paper on the left side of the windshield so they have no peripheral either. Used it today in fact. No cheating there, unless they look out the side window, and I'll notice that (hopefully).

 

[Kent4]

I use foggles.

Then every-other lesson or so, to make sure they aren't looking up, I take a sectional and put it in front of their side of the windshield, and a piece of paper on the left side of the windshield so they have no peripheral either. Used it today in fact. No cheating there, unless they look out the side window, and I'll notice that (hopefully).

Wouldn't that affect your ability to be the "see & avoid" guy?

Not flaming, just wondering, b/c it sounds like a cool idea.

 

[troy]

Don't buy any "foggles". Just buy a pair of safety glasses that have the same frames as foggles, tape off the clear area and spray the rest black. I can't see any reason to pay over $20 for the ready made version.

 

[Pilotadjuster]

foggles

One of my instructors had a pair of "improved" foggles, with extra opaque tape on the sides to further limit the side view. If you are really not trying to cheat, the peripheral "peeks" you get inadvertently are disorienting to me.

That said, I really like the Jeppshades. Easy transition to vfr for landing/low pass or circling approach. Took my instrument ride with them and the examiner didn't say a word. I find them harder to "cheat" with than the foggles.

 

[U-I pilot]

I bought one of those two days ago. If your hat size is greater than 7 1/2 then it is too small.

I dont know how big your head is, but I have used these all throughout my 141 training and i have heard no complaints small heads or big heads. The elastic seems to fit all.

 

[labbats]

It hinders my see and avoid a bit, so I just lean forward in the seat. I can see most of the sky that way np.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

Another vote for Jepp shades, pretty easy to flip-up at DH/MDA and they fit pretty well (provided you're not a meat-head like me, then it can be a lil' painfull around the temples), but not nearly as uncomfortable as Foggles. My DE actually said he preferred Jepps over anything else. As far as cheating, I did most of my training in IMC or at night, so that wasn't a factor. You can peak out to the side, but it only disorients you more.

 

[wickedpilot]

Jepp Shades...Definately Jepp Shades. Foogles are okay But I can't imagine hauling one of those giant super hoods into a cockpit. What were they thinking when they made those??? Ever heard of cockpit management? You 'mide as well put on your favorite mascots' costume head and do hood work. I'd imagine yanking one of those off at DH is about as difficult as it is with the giant grey hood.

With Jepp Shades...Flip up, VFR...Flip down, IFR, no questions.

I find them harder to "cheat" with than the foggles.

You mean people cheat when doing simulated???

 

[Salty Dog]

I use foggles. Easy to handle and do the job. Sure gets your attention when you turn into the sun and the bright light on the translucent part gives you some serious white out.

That black paint on safety shades idea may have more than a little merit if for that alone.

 

[Nolife]

Jeppshades

IMO Jeppshades are the best. I've tried several others and found them to be the best. I recommend them to my students and have used them myself on Part 135 check rides.

As far as cheating goes, The Francis hood is good but it gave me motion sickness when I tried it. Map in the window works best. I had a student who was perfect on ILS's under the hood only to totally blow it when I put a map on his side.

In the end cheaters will wash themselves out either on a SIM or hopefully not... in real life.

 

[kabz]

I've tried a few, but liked the JeppShades best.

If you wear glasses though, they need to be quite small, but I was fine with them.

 

[skyking1976]

I would suggest a product by Miller Brewing company. They have been limiting my vision for years...

SK