B6 PEA Amendment

[Smarta$$]

The 180s may stay or go but farming out flying with alter ego (your PVC attorneys' opinion, in IAD last month, of true company intentions in the documents) will delay junior FO upgrades for years and years. Stagnation comes with alter ego flying, it is the nature of it, as in, find cheaper pilots.

Yes, possible farming out of cape air or small turbo props in SJU. They will NOT farm out CRJs or EMBs or any other regional jet. To do so would be the fastest way to ALPA or another union. They do not want that.

The company is on the record numerous times stating the intention of the language is no more than 50 seats. 50 seaters are not profitable, and are not having their contracts renewed by most airlines.

Stick to arguing for better retirement, insurance, pay and merger protection. For this outsourcing and furloughs BS, take off the tin foil hat.

 

[fifty30retard]

Yes, possible farming out of cape air or small turbo props in SJU. They will NOT farm out CRJs or EMBs or any other regional jet. To do so would be the fastest way to ALPA or another union. They do not want that.

The company is on the record numerous times stating the intention of the language is no more than 50 seats. 50 seaters are not profitable, and are not having their contracts renewed by most airlines.

Stick to arguing for better retirement, insurance, pay and merger protection. For this outsourcing and furloughs BS, take off the tin foil hat.

Thanks for your guidance, you most definitely must be absolutely correct. I'm almost positive your 180 upgrade is safe and secure. Now, I'm going to go buy my guaranteed winning lottery ticket, then walk on water, while spinning gold from yarn.

 

[Smarta$$]

Thanks for your guidance, you most definitely must be absolutely correct. I'm almost positive your 180 upgrade is safe and secure. Now, I'm going to go buy my guaranteed winning lottery ticket, then walk on water, while spinning gold from yarn.

That's funny.

 

[$$$4nothin]

How about the fact that B6 built its customer loyalty by offering a product that is better than any product that any regional has or ever will be able to provide. B6 will not outsource to a regional jet operator for this reason alone. It wouldnt matter how cheap that carrier is because JB would not want to destroy there customer loyaty. It would take less than 3 months in the NY and BOS markets to destroy what has been built over 13 years. Just go look at the Midwest/Frontier brands. Forget every other reason. That is the only necesarry reason for B6 not to outsource to a regional carrier.

 

[$$$4nothin]

If you don't understand this concept you obviously have never worked for or commuted on a regional carrier. JB management knows this. They have probably flown on every regional carriers multiple times trying to see if there is one out there that could actually give the kind of product JB offers. Luckily for all of us there is not one out there that does, nor will there ever be one. JB management knows what outsourceing to a regional carrier would do to there business and profits.

 

[Splert]

How about the fact that B6 built its customer loyalty by offering a product that is better than any product that any regional has or ever will be able to provide. B6 will not outsource to a regional jet operator for this reason alone. It wouldnt matter how cheap that carrier is because JB would not want to destroy there customer loyaty. It would take less than 3 months in the NY and BOS markets to destroy what has been built over 13 years. Just go look at the Midwest/Frontier brands. Forget every other reason. That is the only necesarry reason for B6 not to outsource to a regional carrier.

That is pathetically tragic which means it is one step away from painfully funny.

The product is free TV and Snacks. Look at the JD Powers Award.

Every time a customer touches a Jetblue crew member we score like USAirways.

When a customer touches something free or the free TV or free snacks we score like Alaska Airlines.

We could score even higher if we gave more stuff away for free and financed it by flying the 190 at 1/4 the crew cost and win another 10 pound piece of glass.

Get off the 190 now!

 

[Smarta$$]

That is pathetically tragic which means it is one step away from painfully funny.

The product is free TV and Snacks. Look at the JD Powers Award.

Every time a customer touches a Jetblue crew member we score like USAirways.

When a customer touches something free or the free TV or free snacks we score like Alaska Airlines.

We could score even higher if we gave more stuff away for free and financed it by flying the 190 at 1/4 the crew cost and win another 10 pound piece of glass.

Get off the 190 now!

Why????

 

[$$$4nothin]

That is pathetically tragic which means it is one step away from painfully funny.

The product is free TV and Snacks. Look at the JD Powers Award.

Every time a customer touches a Jetblue crew member we score like USAirways.

When a customer touches something free or the free TV or free snacks we score like Alaska Airlines.

We could score even higher if we gave more stuff away for free and financed it by flying the 190 at 1/4 the crew cost and win another 10 pound piece of glass.

Get off the 190 now!

Both of these statements are incorrect... Do you think that if the 190 flying got farmed out the company would just furlough all the 190 pilots. This is such a rediculous statement. If you think the company just wants to do things the cheapest way possible ie.. farm out flying then why would they furlough the lowest paid employees (for the most part). If you think they would furlough that grossly out of seniority why wouldn't they furlough all the 9-13 year pilots and keep all the 1-5 year pilots. Look how much the company loves that 10 pound piece of glass. The company knows very well that they would never see it again if they farmed out flying to any regional carrier. The fact is there are 5 internet tough guys on this board, but there are many thousand JB employees that do whatever they can to make a customers experience as good as possible. I would also be willing to bet these 5 internet tough guys are still very nice to customers and help them all out in as many ways as they can.

 

[Splert]

Both of these statements are incorrect... Do you think that if the 190 flying got farmed out the company would just furlough all the 190 pilots. This is such a rediculous statement. If you think the company just wants to do things the cheapest way possible ie.. farm out flying then why would they furlough the lowest paid employees (for the most part). If you think they would furlough that grossly out of seniority why wouldn't they furlough all the 9-13 year pilots and keep all the 1-5 year pilots. Look how much the company loves that 10 pound piece of glass. The company knows very well that they would never see it again if they farmed out flying to any regional carrier. The fact is there are 5 internet tough guys on this board, but there are many thousand JB employees that do whatever they can to make a customers experience as good as possible. I would also be willing to bet these 5 internet tough guys are still very nice to customers and help them all out in as many ways as they can.

When the 180 goes the pilots go with it.

Your PEA will cover you up until the moment you are integrated into the other pilot groups CBA.

As far as JD Powers click on the categories and what is being scored and then count the balls. We fail when our customers interact with a jetblue crew members and score highly when we give our customers free stuff.

Any vendor can give free LiveTV and full cans of soda away and all you can eat blue chips.

That free 10 pounds of glass costs a lot money.

Good luck.

 

[$$$4nothin]

When the 180 goes the pilots go with it.


Good luck.

So you are saying the 10 year 190 captain will be furloughed and the 2 month airbus FO will stay. How do you possibly think this. What is your thought process. Is it that JB doesn't want to pay training cost. If that was the case then why does the company allow a 5 year Bus FO to bid a 190 FO slot in the most recent system bid allowing an extra training event. Also why do you think the 190 is going away. Do you think the Bus is going to fly around all day to SYR, PWM, ALB, BTV with 85 people in it 5 times a day. Not to mention the 70 mile SJU-STT flights. There is a reason the company is still bringing them on property. Our JD power award came from a lot more than free TV and blue chips. Yes people love those things, and they are great products that JB offers. I also see that we complete almost 100% of our scheduled flights almost everyday. JB customer expect that. Tell me what regional can provide that kind of garunteed service. I know for a fact my old 145/170/175/190 flying regional carrier couldn't even come close. Big difference in attitude from employes that care about there company and employes that could care less if the company with the paint job on the side of there plane does well or not.

 

[$$$4nothin]

When the 180 goes the pilots go with it.

Your PEA will cover you up until the moment you are integrated into the other pilot groups CBA. Why do you think we will be integrated into any other group.

As far as JD Powers click on the categories and what is being scored and then count the balls. We fail when our customers interact with a jetblue crew members and score highly when we give our customers free stuff. Pretty hard to call it a fail when we won the award. Obviously not that big of fail. TV and Blue chips alone didn't win the award.

Any vendor can give free LiveTV and full cans of soda away and all you can eat blue chips. Then why don't they

That free 10 pounds of glass costs a lot money. There isn't much in todays society that doesn't cost a lot of money. Gotta spend $$$ to make $$$

Good luck.

Thanks

 

[Splert]

Reservation Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the variety of flight options, ease of making a reservation, ticket prices, availability of preferred seats, and friendliness of the reservation staff.

Jetblue 3 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.


Check-in Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the speed of the check-in process and courtesy of the staff.

Jetblue 3 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.


Boarding Experience: This is how passengers rate the time spent in boarding and exiting the aircraft, as well as time spent at baggage claim.

Jetblue 2 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.


Staff Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the frequency of in-flight updates and the courtesy, friendliness, presentation, and helpfulness of the crew.

Jetblue 2 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.

Aircraft Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate seat comfort, availability of overhead storage, roominess of the seat area, and cleanliness of the aircraft.

Jetblue 5 Balls
Alaska 5 Balls


Staff Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the frequency of in-flight updates and the courtesy, friendliness, presentation, and helpfulness of the crew.

3 Balls
Alaska 5 Balls


Service Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the airline’s in-flight (ie free TV free soda and chips) services.

5 Balls
Alaska 4 Balls


Without our Product (free stuff) we are USAirways.

Better find away to fix it and ignoring the data is not fixing the issues that we have.

Our customers love the free stuff but they don't care for our crew members.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Reservation Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the variety of flight options, ease of making a reservation, ticket prices, availability of preferred seats, and friendliness of the reservation staff.

Jetblue 3 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls. Not a regional carrier


Check-in Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the speed of the check-in process and courtesy of the staff.

Jetblue 3 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls. Not a regional carrier


Boarding Experience: This is how passengers rate the time spent in boarding and exiting the aircraft, as well as time spent at baggage claim.

Jetblue 2 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.Not a regional carrier


Staff Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the frequency of in-flight updates and the courtesy, friendliness, presentation, and helpfulness of the crew.

Jetblue 2 Balls
Alaska Air received 5 Balls.Still not a regional airline

Aircraft Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate seat comfort, availability of overhead storage, roominess of the seat area, and cleanliness of the aircraft.

Jetblue 5 Balls
Alaska 5 Balls Nothing to do with the free stuff we give. As a matter of fact we charge for some of this


Staff Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the frequency of in-flight updates and the courtesy, friendliness, presentation, and helpfulness of the crew.

3 Balls
Alaska 5 Balls Still not a regional carrier


Service Experience: This score is based on how passengers rate the airline’s in-flight (ie free TV free soda and chips) services.

5 Balls
Alaska 4 Balls


Without our Product (free stuff) we are USAirways. But we do give a better over all product so we still aren't Airways.

Better find away to fix it and ignoring the data is not fixing the issues that we have.

Our customers love the free stuff but they don't care for our crew members.

None of this has anything to do with us getting rid of any 190 flying or farming flying out to a regional carrier. Now go compare our balls to any regional airlines balls, (pun intended) and you will again see a big difference. Alaska is in our peer set and I have no problem giving them credit where credit is due. No where did anyone say though that we are going to farm out flying to Alaska Airlines.

You guys are angry. I get it. I want more affordable health care, std, ltd, and benefits too. I vote accordingly. However I am not going to be an angry individual who doesn't give our customers the best product I can give them until the next vote rolls around. Just like all of you I applied to a non unionized carrier. That is the way it will be until 50%+1 vote differently.

 

[crash312]

So you are saying the 10 year 190 captain will be furloughed and the 2 month airbus FO will stay. How do you possibly think this. What is your thought process. Is it that JB doesn't want to pay training cost. If that was the case then why does the company allow a 5 year Bus FO to bid a 190 FO slot in the most recent system bid allowing an extra training event. Also why do you think the 190 is going away. Do you think the Bus is going to fly around all day to SYR, PWM, ALB, BTV with 85 people in it 5 times a day. Not to mention the 70 mile SJU-STT flights. There is a reason the company is still bringing them on property. Our JD power award came from a lot more than free TV and blue chips. Yes people love those things, and they are great products that JB offers. I also see that we complete almost 100% of our scheduled flights almost everyday. JB customer expect that. Tell me what regional can provide that kind of garunteed service. I know for a fact my old 145/170/175/190 flying regional carrier couldn't even come close. Big difference in attitude from employes that care about there company and employes that could care less if the company with the paint job on the side of there plane does well or not.

Actually that flight is on the 320, I'm doing it next month.

 

[Splert]

None of this has anything to do with us getting rid of any 190 flying or farming flying out to a regional carrier. Now go compare our balls to any regional airlines balls, (pun intended) and you will again see a big difference. Alaska is in our peer set and I have no problem giving them credit where credit is due. No where did anyone say though that we are going to farm out flying to Alaska Airlines.

You guys are angry. I get it. I want more affordable health care, std, ltd, and benefits too. I vote accordingly. However I am not going to be an angry individual who doesn't give our customers the best product I can give them until the next vote rolls around. Just like all of you I applied to a non unionized carrier. That is the way it will be until 50%+1 vote differently.

Sure it does.

You said the Jetblue people make the product and JD Powers reports it is the free stuff.

Section 15 allows the company to farm the 190 out to alter ego and you said they would not do that because it would hurt the brand/product.

Clearly the brand is free stuff not the people in blue shirts. A regional can give away free stuff just as well as jetblue people in blue shirts and do it for less and treat the customer at the same level and the brand doesn't suffer.

 

[aewanabe]

Yes, the 320 will and does fly JFK-ROC, SYR, and PWM. Route length and frequency of service is not enough to keep the 190 viable by itself.

 

[fifty30retard]

Jetblue has slapped Live TV in Continental/United, Westjet, Frontier, and numerous other entities, including our own regional express 180s. It is very capable of stuffing it into Republic 180s for inter island whipsawing. Your documents cover domestic outsourcing, they don't cover international. They could do anything they want, and they will. Enjoy your direct relationship.

 

[Splert]

Jetblue has slapped Live TV in Continental/United, Westjet, Frontier, and numerous other entities, including our own regional express 180s. It is very capable of stuffing it into Republic 180s for inter island whipsawing. Your documents cover domestic outsourcing, they don't cover international. They could do anything they want, and they will. Enjoy your direct relationship.

But T Y'er said that wasn't the intent and intent is better than a contract because intent is what arbitrators use to make determinations and he saw no indication that ELT intended to outsource flying to an alter ego because it wouldn't make sense because he looks really good in a blueshirt and no other Mesa pilot can look as good as he does in a Blueshirt and ...