B6 Hiring

[Flyer1015]

email stating we were bought by/merged with another airline, I know I would be completely screwed if all I had in my corner were some flimsy, untested documents. New company could tell me to take my pea and hit the street. How am I going to fight that?

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

Jeez, Flyer.
I don't know about TWA, but ALPA was stymied at Airways by a vote to replace them with USAPA. The Airways guys outnumbered the AWA guys, so it was done.
They thought that by replacing ALPA that they would get DOH seniority instead of the binding arbitration that they agreed to. Putting pilots furloughed for years into AWA seats, of course.
Sound fair?
Apparently you think that the JB ELT will back your seniority instead of their multi-million payouts?
Really?

 

[Fins Up]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

TWA was another time. We have TWAers who already votes Yes and I believe one or two on the OC. I'll take a CBA over the DR any day and getting one any other way (i.e. in-house) is a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[JJthejetplane]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

I wonder how it would of worked for them if they were left to fight that battle alone, without a seat at the table. I imagine a hell of a lot worse! I don't know much about America West and their deal, but I do know that TWA was in pretty sorry shape going in to that deal to start with.

 

[Flyer1015]

Correct me if I'm wrong, even if an airline is non-union, a staple cannot happen in a merger scenario with the current laws.

 

[Flyer1015]

TWA was another time. We have TWAers who already votes Yes and I believe one or two on the OC. I'll take a CBA over the DR any day and getting one any other way (i.e. in-house) is a disaster waiting to happen.

Confused by that last statement, are you saying in-house union (like a Jetblue Pilot Association) would be bad/disaster waiting to happen?

 

[Fins Up]

Confused by that last statement, are you saying in-house union (like a Jetblue Pilot Association) would be bad/disaster waiting to happen?

Yes. No money and no resources. It would take a huuuge chunk of money to get started. I think it would get bled dry just like Airtran's NPA.

 

[wt219200]

Yes. No money and no resources. It would take a huuuge chunk of money to get started. I think it would get bled dry just like Airtran's NPA.

I don't work there but I agree. An in-house union just doesn't make sense. Say what you will about ALPA but you guys will vote in the guys that represent you. It doesn't have to mean a broken labor-management relationship.

 

[B6Driver]

I wonder how it would of worked for them if they were left to fight that battle alone, without a seat at the table. I imagine a hell of a lot worse! I don't know much about America West and their deal, but I do know that TWA was in pretty sorry shape going in to that deal to start with.

ALPA wanted their dues money to the last day and the TWA pilots had more than a wish for honest representation in return, they had a legal right to it and according to the outcome of the court case, ALPA did not deliver.
ALPA wanted something different and left the pilots of TWA, a founding member of the organization bye the way to fend for themselves as if they were alone.
Very sad indeed.

 

[Splert]

Because ALPA will do a fine job for you in a merger? Ask TWA or America West pilots how that worked out.

You mean Airways ...

Also what was the final integration of TWA and AA?

Numbers please not drive by.

 

[Splert]

ALPA wanted their dues money to the last day and the TWA pilots had more than a wish for honest representation in return, they had a legal right to it and according to the outcome of the court case, ALPA did not deliver.
ALPA wanted something different and left the pilots of TWA, a founding member of the organization bye the way to fend for themselves as if they were alone.
Very sad indeed.

According to the courts OJ was not guilty.

Juries and pilots seem to be one and the same.

 

[Splert]

The Courts found Damion Williams innocent.

What are you going to say when the courts award TWAiners $3.00?

Remember your career earning to date are probably very near to what you would have earned with your first SLI offer to the APA. 600 stapled right?

The courts system was fair?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

Correct me if I'm wrong, even if an airline is non-union, a staple cannot happen in a merger scenario with the current laws.

False.

Under the current law, because we dont have a Union to represent us during the integration process, our management would be in charge of negotiating for us. They can negotiate a staple.

 

[Splert]

False.

Under the current law, because we dont have a Union to represent us during the integration process, our management would be in charge of negotiating for us. They can negotiate a staple.

Exactly.

The 'law' does not REQUIRE SLI at all. Instead if a Merger of Operations is NOT the initial agreement then the law does NOT apply.

Reference Guadeloupe Holding and Air Tran.

What you and we need to REQUIRE merger of operations is a god damn CBA.

Puck pilots are sheep.

 

[Blue Dude]

And in other news, the company, in its first cases bringing a long-awaited, much-hyped process to incorporate pilot input into the official work rules, turned down both suggestions to make it all the way through. With no explanation at all, not even an email. I so like not having a union getting in the way of nimble improvements that can be made on our behalf. I retire this evening satisfied that my voice has been heard and my management has my best interests at heart.