B6 Hiring

[Smarta$$]

Cave in for what?

Go back to the regional board where you will always belong.

 

[StarChecker]

Here's the thing, as a new hire, I'm not likely to side with the offensive and demeaning crowd. If you want to win hearts and minds, you better change your tune.

Waaaaaaaa

Be nice to me or I'll vote no. Holy crap where do they grow you people.

Facts facts facts. They are there in plain sight if you care to see them with vision unfettered by emotions.

JetBlue is a good job. We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way there....

Those are the facts.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Waaaaaaaa

Be nice to me or I'll vote no. Holy crap where do they grow you people.

Facts facts facts. They are there in plain sight if you care to see them with vision unfettered by emotions.

JetBlue is a good job. We need a CBA. ALPA is the best way there....

Those are the facts.

I'm not crying about it. I just think it's pretty obvious that being a dick won't help your cause.

I'm on the fence. I came here because JetBlue is non union, so the fact that I'm on the fence is a significant change in your direction.

 

[1.3XVso]

Cave in for what?

Go back to the regional board where you will always belong.

If you were still here at 9e you would've voted yes on the concession ta. No doubt about it. Then post on flight info on why you voted yes like the rest of these scabs you use to work with.

 

[johnsonrod]

I'm not crying about it. I just think it's pretty obvious that being a dick won't help your cause.

I'm on the fence. I came here because JetBlue is non union, so the fact that I'm on the fence is a significant change in your direction.

Craziest line I have read on Flightinfo this year.

 

[rjpilot7667]

Craziest line I have read on Flightinfo this year.

Not at all. ASA is starting to get a taste of the JetBlue experience.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I'm not crying about it. I just think it's pretty obvious that being a dick won't help your cause.

I'm on the fence. I came here because JetBlue is non union, so the fact that I'm on the fence is a significant change in your direction.

Seriously, what is there to be on the fence about?

 

[Splert]

I'm not crying about it. I just think it's pretty obvious that being a dick won't help your cause.

I'm on the fence. I came here because JetBlue is non union, so the fact that I'm on the fence is a significant change in your direction.

Take 5 minutes and compare CBA vacations and your FSM.

The FSM allocates only 2 weeks per pilot. Doesn't matter if your seat has 10 year FOs the FSM allocates only 2 weeks vacation for that 10 year pilot.

PSIA (peer set industry average) is 26 days vs the FSM 14 for a 10 year pilot.

This allocation affects the 1st year pilot because the FSM has a one pass vacation bidding system. First pilot on the list can bid and be awarded 6 weeks which is the allocation for 3 pilots. By the time the bidding system get to your group there is little to no vacation left to be awarded. This has zero to do with seniority and instead has 100% to do with the failure of the Direct Relationship to have a reasonable allocation, distribution, PTV accrual and bank and a multi pass bidding system.

BTW the DR has been working on this since 2007 with the PCRB and FSM Working Groups and the current PVC.

No where fast is the Direct Relationship.

Also go the the pilot page on hellojetblue and add JBPA to the end of .com/pilots/jbpa and review the history that you missed and the promises made and failure of leadership to deliver. Nothing out of reach. Just average compensation. Very reasonable requests ignored over the past 8 years.

The DR is a failure and you are just the latest on the block to give it more time. It is part of the plan to stall and stall and stall and then 10 years later it is 10 years later and 1/3 of your career is over.

 

[Smarta$$]

Take 5 minutes and compare CBA vacations and your FSM.

The FSM allocates only 2 weeks per pilot. Doesn't matter if your seat has 10 year FOs the FSM allocates only 2 weeks vacation for that 10 year pilot.

PSIA (peer set industry average) is 26 days vs the FSM 14 for a 10 year pilot.

This allocation affects the 1st year pilot because the FSM has a one pass vacation bidding system. First pilot on the list can bid and be awarded 6 weeks which is the allocation for 3 pilots. By the time the bidding system get to your group there is little to no vacation left to be awarded. This has zero to do with seniority and instead has 100% to do with the failure of the Direct Relationship to have a reasonable allocation, distribution, PTV accrual and bank and a multi pass bidding system.

BTW the DR has been working on this since 2007 with the PCRB and FSM Working Groups and the current PVC.

No where fast is the Direct Relationship.

Also go the the pilot page on hellojetblue and add JBPA to the end of .com/pilots/jbpa and review the history that you missed and the promises made and failure of leadership to deliver. Nothing out of reach. Just average compensation. Very reasonable requests ignored over the past 8 years.

The DR is a failure and you are just the latest on the block to give it more time. It is part of the plan to stall and stall and stall and then 10 years later it is 10 years later and 1/3 of your career is over.

I share your concerns about vacation. I have about 50% confidence that a union will take that windfall away from senior pilots and distribute it through the group.

I am a yes voter though.

 

[Splert]

It's education of the 95% that the 5% are afraid of.

Once that occurs the 5% will run and hide. There is no way they will stand up in public and advocate they get all 6 weeks at once before the next pilot get one week. They will do that in private in PVC and WRC meeting and try and strong arm others.

Only in a process where the participants are afraid of transparency can these grifters get away with their type of advocacy and thinking.

Video taped meetings have a way of stifling the grifters.

With the DR there is no hope for change - ever.

Also the excuse that FLiCA is busy until 2014 is total bull********************. The WRC could find a third party to handle a multi pass bidding system.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Just flew with a very senior captain. No voter. Couldn't change his mind. It is exactly as a lot of you say. He can't refute any of the facts I present to him, he can't argue with me logically, he just votes no because he likes the status quo and doesn't like ALPA.

Guys like that are just hopeless. Best to forget them and just move on to someone you CAN sway. It is frustrating, though.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Just flew with a very senior captain. No voter. Couldn't change his mind. It is exactly as a lot of you say. He can't refute any of the facts I present to him, he can't argue with me logically, he just votes no because he likes the status quo and doesn't like ALPA.

Guys like that are just hopeless. Best to forget them and just move on to someone you CAN sway. It is frustrating, though.

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

 

[$$$4nothin]

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

ASA: I am also new here at JB (2 years) I love working here and hate the fact that we need a union. Unfortunately the FAA and merger mania that is the airline industry requires it. You really only have to ask yourself two questions that will help you make your decision.

1. You will mess up one day. We all will, and it can happen in a second. When the FAA comes after your certificate and you get called into the Chief pilots office, they will be looking out for the company's best interest and not yours. Do you want to walk into that office all alone, or do you want an entire ALPA legal team walking in with you to speak on your behalf. I know what I want.

2. When JB is merged or bought some day, and statistically speaking this is a 90-95% certainty over the course of the 30 years you have left of this career. Do you want the ELT (who has A LOT to lose or gain in the deal) negotiating for you and your best interest, or do you want a 3rd party that has your interest at least in mind when negotiating for you. Again I know what I want.

So here are two completely unemotional reasons to vote yes to ALPA. Look I want to have a long career here at JB. I just want to do it with as many protections that I can possibly get. To vote no to ALPA is putting your career and your family at unneccesary risk for very little gain. So don't listen to anything else from anyone else. These two no emotion facts alone are enough reason over any other for you to vote in ALPA.

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede. The simple truth though is ALPA is an absolute neccesity as a professional pilot in todays highly legislated and regulated world.

Choose wisely and based on facts my friend.

 

[BeachBummer]

I am sure I will get bashed by the blow hards because I like JB and want JB to succeede..

You should learn when to stop talking... Would have been an excellent post.

 

[CapnVegetto]

There's nothing wrong with liking status quo, and not liking ALPA. That isn't an emotional position. That's an actual position. It isn't necessarily set in stone that things will improve with ALPA.

Many of you are more "emotional" than the no voters. Look at your angry, aggressive responses when a no voter posts on here. That isn't emotional?

The fact is that there are two sides. Both are legitimate. Some can be swayed, and some cannot. It's is just like any other political situation on the planet. Die hard yes vs. die hard no, with the middle ground up for grabs.

At what point in that post did I become emotional? I spoke of logic and reason, and the OTHER guy being emotional. Not liking ALPA has nothing whatsoever to do with logic. It is PURE emotion. It is the absolute definition of emotion.

Liking the status quo may not necessarily be emotional, but it is idiotic. The status quo is the absolute gutting we just took in health insurance. The status quo equates to no work rules. The status quo equates to everybody else getting significant raises right now (even US Airways, possibly in the near future thanks to the union negotiated MOU), and the company doing everything it can to weasel out of giving us anything more than 2%.

I don't want the status quo. At the very least, we can vote in a union and put a freeze on whatever else they might want to take away.

It's not emotional, man, it's just business. I want negotiation. I want my benefits locked into writing. And I want exactly what $$$4nothin just posted. I don't hate JB. I like it here, and I'd love to stay here for 30 years. I'd love for this place to be good enough to where if United or Delta called I could tell them 'thanks but no thanks'. Right now, that is not the case, and it is only going downhill.

The ELT should be asking themselves this: Why do so many think we NEED a union? why are there so many angries? It's nobody's fault but theirs. A company only has as much union as it needs. I guarantee you, if the ELT took HALF the money they spent on bull$hit like MWW group, shark posters, consultants, F & H, and other union busting stuff and put it to employee improvements, there is no way we'd be getting a union. But they have chosen this path, and now they have to walk down it.

A union is coming, it's just a matter of when.