B19 Flyer

[shanes123]

How are those pilots able to stand being KR's pilots???

Whos flying that plane now ?

 

[B19 Flyer]

the classic union argument

This is it in a nutshell. The "Great" CEO's of the 90's as you say were a product of the media that made them into rock stars. I'm willing to bet you fell under that spell.

What you failed to mention was the "greats" of the 90's were making 450% more than the highest paid worker. Now the backlash of those heady days are upon us.

I wonder if your "greats" and yourself will realign within the system?

And Hogprint, they have 1000% more responsibility than the highest paid worker. So, it's a bargain.

They weren't a product of the media, they were successful. The industry took record-breaking profits and they got paid for it just like the pilots did.

The "greats" are no longer within the system and I believe the system suffers as a result. Those that knew how to make it happen were forced to step out of the way as a result of union pressure. When times are tough, you want the best running the company, not a discount CEO.

That is the classic union argument Hogprint.

Who do you want flying the airplane when it all goes to hell, the low hour pilot or the experienced pilot?

The union feels that pilots should be paid a competitive compensation on par with any pilot flying the same equipment regardless of the company or business model, but do not feel that CEOs should be paid the same as their peer group. Double standard, but as a union leader, you know that, right?

There are a lot more pilots that can fly airplanes than there are those that can run a multi million/billion dollar company.

As I've stated before, if it was so easy, why don't unions have their own airline and stop screwing up everybody elses?

I'll answer that for you. Because we both know it's easier for a union to leech of somebody else's success.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Good example of union rules....

A dedicated union pilot was attending overnighting in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels.​

When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, 'Is this a union house?'

'No,' she replied, 'I'm sorry it isn't.'
'Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The house gets $80 and the girls get $20,' she answered.
Offended at such unfair dealings, the union pilot stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully, unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, 'Why, yes sir, this is a union house. 'We observe all union rules.'
The man asked, 'And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.'
'That's more like it!' the union pilot said. ​

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive green-eyed blonde.

'I'd like her,' he said.
'I'm sure you would, sir,' said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, 'but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next.'​

:laugh:​

 

[Midge]

I've clearly stated repeatedly Midge that if you can do a better job, step into management. Guys like you will never do it and leave the dirty work for others because you either don't have the skills to do it are just lazy enough to accept what others will do for you.

Thanks for the advice B19 moron. I'm already in management. I have run a construction business for the past 20 years. I've been quite successful at it too. I appreciate the vote of confidence. I'll bet you the only dirty work you claim to know is the one where you get your finger nails dirty while sharpening pencils for the "real bosses." Me? I've been dirty for more than 20 years. Since you probably don't even know what a shovel is, I'll remind you its the one you need to dig out of the hole your company finds itself in right now thanks to your poor managment performance!

While this board allows me privacy, I'm anything but private in my management position.

And yet you find time with your busy management schedule to hang out here with the dirty union personell! How blazingly daring of you!

If you think that is what management does all day, it doesn't surprise me that you would let others speak for you. It also seems like the kind of job you'd probably be good at.

I've already proven to you that I run a very successful company, with proven profits for more than 20 years. Bet you can't say the same. Oh yeah, and BTW, my salary is dictated on my company's performance. Bet you can't say the same. But that's ok, when you continue to run your company into the ground driving hard working employees out of their job, at least you'll have that iron clad contract (you know the one's that unions have with their employer) that will save your dumbass!

As I have stated before, I have seen unsafe pilots saved by the union grievance process over and over. I've actually had union reps defending pilots that they would not fly with. It's up to management to maintain the workplace. If unions were so damn smart, they should start their own airline rather than take over the efforts that somebody else has put together.

And how many company's that have been around for 75+ years dismantled by mismanagement of morons like yourself? How about enron for one. Let's talk Fannie Mae. How many airlines that have been around for years. Eastern, TWA, Braniff. All done in by incompetent morons like yoruself. I'm glad you're so proud of that kind of work!
No Since you're neither a pilot, nor a union worker, I'll strike the above comment as speaking out of your ass, which you've been proven to be more than eloquent at!

I call unions a mob because that is exactly what they are. Unions are bullies that suck the life out of a company.

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff? Are you that stupid? Yeah, based on your postings, I'd say you are! I've just stated a half dozen companies that have gone tango uniform due to piss poor management. Were you or your dad the boss of one of them? My guess is you're right behind them in wrecking your present company. My pity to the poor folks that have to save your ass for incompetence. Good thing there's a union on the property to keep you in check!

When a company with a union stumbles due to the economy, the unions never accept responsibility. They blame management even though they tell their membership that they are there to improve the company. If they really did that, no company would ever falter. Instead, they take the money and run. When programs fail like ASAP, they blame management, not themselves.

Thanks. You've just proven you have no clue and are in the same class as the 5 year old living behind me. Last time I checked it was management rewarding themselves for ruining companies. Just check the headlines einstein. The government bails out the institutions and then the management team rewards themselves worth $$millions of hard earned taxpayer dollars. Keep up the debate B19, you're keeping my union support alive and well. Even for my employees.

That doens't make any sense.. sounds like a bit of jealousy to me that somebody else has more talent than you.

You should probably stand up and clear your throat when you talk nonsense like the above. I'm sure its much easier to talk when you're not sitting on the orafice that spews this jibberish!

I have no clue who "nancy" is, but once again.. sounds like you really are jealous of others because they are more successful than you financially. In the history of aviation, all of it... the industry has been a break even entity. That is well known.

Well then by all means dickhead. Give yourself another bonus. You deserve it. After all, its a break even industry and who needs profits as long as the management team is rewarded for its incompetence.
And nancy is you!

Unions have cost just as many jobs and have harmed more than you’ll ever know because it’s clear you limit your opinions to those within your own group. Every time a union comes onto the property it disrupts the original business plan and places the company into a financial situation that it hadn’t planned on. If you aren’t happy Midge, go find a carrier that will make you happy. Nobody is forcing you to work there.

I work there because its enjoyable. I can keep my hand in my business by letting my family run it and take care of my employees and can fly at the same time. You would have no clue about that cause you're too busy sticking it up the ass of the worker and moving on to the next company to ruin!

I’m not hiding Midge, I’m very high profile and in the kind of position that keeps people like you from hurting yourself every day on the line. This is a public message board and I choose to keep personal information private.

You keep me from hurting myself. What are you, the mirror when I shave?:laugh: I'm the guy who makes sure you don't harm an innocent employee for the self gain of yourself. By having my union keep its eye on you, you can't terminate an employee because he/she has made it successful and is making the proper money he/she should be. Don't worry numbnuts, you'll still have your golden parachute when you destroy the company you're "trying" to run!

The only points you’ve proved Midge is your ignorance on the business side of the industry, the effects that organized labor has on the industry and your inability to stand on your own to be responsible for your own career.

I've proven I'm able to stand on my career, which is 2 sided. Let's see you stand on your own. Next time its time for concessions, lead by example for your employees. I have yet to see a high level management person take concessions to help save his company. Naaah, its much easier to screw over the employees. Remember, you got your contract!

No incompetence.. I stand on my own Midge and am responsible to speak for myself and take care of my own career. I can’t imagine anybody speaking for me. You are probably a democrat.

And when you do speak, its probably out of your ass! I can't imagine anyone trusting you. It's obvious by your posts, your either a managment wanna be or some pencil sharpening putz working in a high level office who's serving coffee to the real boss!

 

[brokeflyer]

A dedicated union pilot was attending overnighting in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels.​

When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, 'Is this a union house?'

'No,' she replied, 'I'm sorry it isn't.'
'Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The house gets $80 and the girls get $20,' she answered.
Offended at such unfair dealings, the union pilot stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully, unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, 'Why, yes sir, this is a union house. 'We observe all union rules.'
The man asked, 'And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.'
'That's more like it!' the union pilot said. ​

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive green-eyed blonde.

'I'd like her,' he said.
'I'm sure you would, sir,' said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, 'but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next.'​

:laugh:​

thats friggin funny.....

 

[B19 Flyer]

c'mon up to the big leagues...

see previous nonsense....

Midge...

Construction and aviation, two different businesses entirely.

Apples and oranges...

You think because you have made some money in construction that it's comparable to aviation?

pahlease......

When a union invades YOUR company, tells you how much you are going to pay, how many hours they are going to work and attempt to run virtually every program in the building... check back in. Let's see how much freedom you have at that point to make your meager profit.

Until then, I don't care where you have made your millions (how successful can you be, after all... you are still working two jobs...)

Managing any company with a union is hard, making a profit is even harder...

Try it some time... c'mon up to the big leagues...

 

[doh]

If you treated your pilots fairly, you wouldn't have a union. But cancers like you can't seem to do that. You get what you get when you do what you do.

 

[shanes123]

BT Couldnt get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties even if the broad was 97 working there..

 

[Midge]

Midge...

Construction and aviation, two different businesses entirely.

Apples and oranges...

Wrong! Managment is management numbnuts. Both are subject to market forces, mine more so than yours. My workers have a union. More typical not knowing what you're talking about bull******************** from you!

You think because you have made some money in construction that it's comparable to aviation?

pahlease......

No Nancy. I know that I have been in a management position before, and that I know what I'm talking about. Something you cannot say.

When a union invades YOUR company, tells you how much you are going to pay, how many hours they are going to work and attempt to run virtually every program in the building... check back in.

Hey B19. I'm checking back in. Its called negotiations. I'm sure you would know that if you were in management. My workers have a "negotiated" contract. How about yours???? Oh that's right, its your father that has dicked up the company. Your'e just here to try to distract from his wrong doings, right son??

Let's see how much freedom you have at that point to make your meager profit.

See the above statement management wanna be!

Until then, I don't care where you have made your millions (how successful can you be, after all... you are still working two jobs...)

Oh B19. You were doing so well. Well not really. Obviously you were out to lunch when they taught you how to negotiate contracts and run a company successfully. I'll leave you with the last word since you posts show that you're about 13 and haven't the faintest idea of what a real working man's position is. You're obviously a management plant who's come on here to piss off pilots. You're pretty good at that, but don't really have a clue what goes on in the real world. I have a feeling that you're not in management, not a grown up, but some snot nose kid who's dad has ********************ed up a company real bad and is getting ******************** on because of his dad's mismanagement of a company. I'll tell you what kid, when you grow up and have a job that doesn't include sharpening pencils and , setting up water bottles at board meetings, let me know. Get back to me then punk...

Managing any company with a union is hard, making a profit is even harder...

Try it some time... c'mon up to the big leagues...

You wold never know kid. Your daddy is the one in the management position. You're just here to argue for argument's sake. Get back to scratching your daddy's leg. That's about the league you're in kid. You give it away with the timing of your posts. I guess you just ran home from the office at 1753 and had to run right to flightinfo? You've been exposed fraud! Get on that homework before mom and dad find out about you playing on the computer!
Good day little man!

 

[brokeflyer]

can you say "OWNED"?

lol

 

[B19 Flyer]

Not a clue...

Wrong! Managment is management numbnuts. Both are subject to market forces, mine more so than yours. My workers have a union. More typical not knowing what you're talking about bull******************** from you!


No Nancy. I know that I have been in a management position before, and that I know what I'm talking about. Something you cannot say.



Hey B19. I'm checking back in. Its called negotiations. I'm sure you would know that if you were in management. My workers have a "negotiated" contract. How about yours???? Oh that's right, its your father that has dicked up the company. Your'e just here to try to distract from his wrong doings, right son??



See the above statement management wanna be!



Oh B19. You were doing so well. Well not really. Obviously you were out to lunch when they taught you how to negotiate contracts and run a company successfully. I'll leave you with the last word since you posts show that you're about 13 and haven't the faintest idea of what a real working man's position is. You're obviously a management plant who's come on here to piss off pilots. You're pretty good at that, but don't really have a clue what goes on in the real world. I have a feeling that you're not in management, not a grown up, but some snot nose kid who's dad has ********************ed up a company real bad and is getting ******************** on because of his dad's mismanagement of a company. I'll tell you what kid, when you grow up and have a job that doesn't include sharpening pencils and , setting up water bottles at board meetings, let me know. Get back to me then punk...



You wold never know kid. Your daddy is the one in the management position. You're just here to argue for argument's sake. Get back to scratching your daddy's leg. That's about the league you're in kid. You give it away with the timing of your posts. I guess you just ran home from the office at 1753 and had to run right to flightinfo? You've been exposed fraud! Get on that homework before mom and dad find out about you playing on the computer!
Good day little man!

You clearly don't know what your talking about, you know nothing about aviation management and are not making any sense in what you are writing.

You clearly don't understand the economics of aviation or any of the industries within it.

You are one of those that makes my case about seniority. One of these days you will be able to bid an upgrade. That safest place in that Boeing for you and the rest of us is in the right seat where the real decisions are made by somebody else.

 

[brokeflyer]

those decisions are made by me. Cause I am the second coming of Christ and know all about that in which has been created.


Thank You.

Miracles for sale......high bid only.

 

[PCL_128]

That safest place in that Boeing for you and the rest of us is in the right seat where the real decisions are made by somebody else.

The guy that sits in that right seat, with the final decisions being made by someone else, still has infinitely more responsibility than a management puke like yourself.

 

[993_Pilot]

A dedicated union pilot was attending overnighting in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels.​

When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, 'Is this a union house?'

'No,' she replied, 'I'm sorry it isn't.'
'Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The house gets $80 and the girls get $20,' she answered.
Offended at such unfair dealings, the union pilot stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully, unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, 'Why, yes sir, this is a union house. 'We observe all union rules.'
The man asked, 'And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.'
'That's more like it!' the union pilot said. ​

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive green-eyed blonde.

'I'd like her,' he said.
'I'm sure you would, sir,' said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, 'but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next.'​

:laugh:​

Once upon a time, B19 must have been that "dedicated union pilot". Everything suddenly makes sense, and I now understand why he hates unions so much. I think we should all cut him a break!

 

[fischman]

For the longest time I thought B19 was a union leader. There is no one else who has done more to promote unity than B19.

 

[Midge]

You clearly don't know what your talking about, you know nothing about aviation management and are not making any sense in what you are writing.

But I've proven I have more knowledge in one of my pubic hairs than your whole body!

You clearly don't understand the economics of aviation or any of the industries within it.

And yet I've debated you and shot down everything you've spewed out of your pie hole!
And still I have more knowledge and understandings about the industry and what goes on within it.

You are one of those that makes my case about seniority. One of these days you will be able to bid an upgrade.

That safest place in that Boeing for you and the rest of us is in the right seat where the real decisions are made by somebody else.

You are the one who makes my case of anonymity, and the comfort of throwing stones behind a keyboard!
You aren't in management and it has been proven. Its quite obvious you're either just a pencil sharpening kid, the son/daughter of some bigwig who's destroyed a major company and is now justifying what your dad did, or just some half assed union buster who's not doing a good job.
Hey kid when you're done your homework, bring your dad into the conversation. Maybe he can get spanked too!
Now I'm sure you've got homework to do, get to it, and leave aviation to the grown ups!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Not likely....

But I've proven I have more knowledge in one of my pubic hairs than your whole body!

And yet I've debated you and shot down everything you've spewed out of your pie hole!
And still I have more knowledge and understandings about the industry and what goes on within it.

You are the one who makes my case of anonymity, and the comfort of throwing stones behind a keyboard!
You aren't in management and it has been proven. Its quite obvious you're either just a pencil sharpening kid, the son/daughter of some bigwig who's destroyed a major company and is now justifying what your dad did, or just some half assed union buster who's not doing a good job.
Hey kid when you're done your homework, bring your dad into the conversation. Maybe he can get spanked too!
Now I'm sure you've got homework to do, get to it, and leave aviation to the grown ups!

Midge,

You expect anybody to accept you as credible once you disclosed that you keep your aviation knowledge in your pubic hair?

B19 Flyer

 

[Midge]

Midge,

You expect anybody to accept you as credible once you disclosed that you keep your aviation knowledge in your pubic hair?

B19 Flyer

B19:
You expect anyone to accept you as credible once you've been exposed as a union buster (who's not really that good) or some kid who's been outed because his dad is the one in management?
Time for homework kid. It must be past your bed time.
Midge

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19:
You expect anyone to accept you as credible once you've been exposed as a union buster (who's not really that good) or some kid who's been outed because his dad is the one in management?
Time for homework kid. It must be past your bed time.
Midge

I'm not a union buster... but it's people like you that support unions who are more concerned with who I am rather than what your union has not done for you that I find fascinating.

I have nothing to prove Midge, but you support a union that makes promises that they can't keep. Look at FLOPS, over three years now with many thousands of dollars wasted.... and 1108 is no closer now than there were then. Don't blame the company, blame the union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

For the longest time I thought B19 was a union leader. There is no one else who has done more to promote unity than B19.

fischman, I feel the same way about watchinig unions destroy families and careers.