B19 Flyer

[imacdog]

If it was easy to be a pilot then everyone would do it.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I could have done almost anything else with my college degree and been better off financially than by being a pilot....




I think it was AC/DC that said:

"Its a long way to the top if you wanna Rock-n-Roll."​

And its a long way back to the bottom too.


We paid the PRICE ... to get where we are. You haven't paid it. Nothing gets me as PO'd as someone trying to devalue the worth of Pilots....

Thats why there are unions .... You want to buy me ... my blood sweat and tears at a cheap price.

I had a rough ride getting to where I am now, and I won't apologize for making a 6 figure salary. I worked hard for it, doing things other people won't do or can't do. Getting screwed along the way by people who devalue what it takes to do what we do.

I've paid a much higher price than most to get to the compensation I have know which exceeds that of most captains. If it wasn't for unions, I would have gotten there a lot sooner.

I have every shred of education and certificates as you, plus probably more. I've paid the price financially for the decisions I've made and the bad luck I've had happen to me. I made the decision to work in aviation, it wasn't all about the money.

Unions have been the single biggest problem in my career and have screwed me a lot more than management has screwed you.

I have never once... not once... stated that a pilot shouldn't be well compensated, but you and your union mongers have repeatedly stated that management is over compenseated for taking on risk that pilots won't with their careers.

When all the great CEOs of the '90s were showing record setting industry profits and unions were touting their industry leading contracts, there wasn't a union member that didn't love them.

However, when the industry pulled back with the economy, it was all the CEO's fault, and had nothing to do with the big contract that couldn't be paid for as it was based on the high revenue numbers during a faltering economy. All the rest of the employees get screwed first, then when the company is about to fold it all in, will the unions are forced to step in with concessions.

Don't tell me gunfyter about paying a price for a job. My disgust for unions and what they represent should be a clear indication.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I called your bluff....

I'll spin them... Those are first year pay, right?

What is the increase for 2nd year?

What is the 10 year pay?

Now start listing professions that equal that type of pay increase over that period of time.

Dimeline.... I called your bluff....


Respond... When I ask questions, nobody likes to respond... c'mon guys...

Respond...

 

[993_Pilot]

Dimeline.... I called your bluff....


Respond... When I ask questions, nobody likes to respond... c'mon guys...

Respond...

I'll respond.

Those were first year pay, but a pilot already has a minimum of 5-6 years in the industry when he lands that job. For the previous 5-6 years, that pilot was making about the same or less, while he flight instructed or humped freight. Name one other profession that has to "pay their dues" by taking such crappy pay for more than a year or two before they start getting fairly compensated? Yeah, their are a few legacy carriers that pay pretty good coin if you can weather a 30 career with them, but getting there without several furloughs, buyouts, or bankruptcies is about as likely as becoming a professional sports player.

 

[dime line]

Dimeline.... I called your bluff....


Respond... When I ask questions, nobody likes to respond... c'mon guys...

Respond...

You didn't call a dam thing. You find out what 2nd year pay is. Oh I forgot, we pilots and familys don't have to eat that first couple of years.

 

[wacoflyr]

B19, you respond selectively, so be careful what you say to others.

You certainly haven't answered my very direct questions.

Wacoflyr

 

[Midge]

The only lackies on this board are the union members that haven't the nuts to manage their own careers and require others to speak for them.

On the contrary sweet cheeks. What I see is union members that have the balls to stand up to managemet dickheads like you! I once worked for a factory owner who told me one day. It takes a bad boss to creat a union.
Well done management puke! You got a gold star!

Apparently, you fall into that category.

Must be nice knowing you have the security of remaining anonomyous behind a keyboard throwing stones in a riot and running into the crowd.
Too bad common sense isn't more common or you'd have some!
Back to tha cubical lackey, I'm sure its time for some more copies and high fives for driving that company of yours into the ground!

 

[B19 Flyer]

You ain't got the nuts to stand on your own and take control of your own career.

On the contrary sweet cheeks. What I see is union members that have the balls to stand up to managemet dickheads like you! I once worked for a factory owner who told me one day. It takes a bad boss to creat a union. Well done management puke! You got a gold star![/color]


Must be nice knowing you have the security of remaining anonomyous behind a keyboard throwing stones in a riot and running into the crowd.
Too bad common sense isn't more common or you'd have some!

Back to tha cubical lackey, I'm sure its time for some more copies and high fives for driving that company of yours into the ground!

Union members are guys that hide behind the skirts of others and negotiate by mob mentality rather than in good faith.

It's takes no courage whatsoever to join a mob. It takes courage to stand up against a mob as an indivdual and ensure that the company is not jeapordized by the mob.

Oh, and there is no cube... it's an office, and what I write is echoed privately by any manager that has been screwed over by a union.

Guys like you Midge come a dime a dozen. You call people names and lack the courage to stand on your own. You are jealous of those that have been successful and want to tear them down... to make them share the wealth that they earned with their own efforts.

You need a union to do your dirty work for you because you ain't got the nuts to stand on your own and take control of your own career.

 

[wacoflyr]

Before you said we accepted a career that is paid to scale, now you tell us to stand on our own.... Who negotiates the scale? Oh that's right, we as individuals do. Hey, wait a minute, that won't work. We all agree we have to negotiate, because pilots have forfeited so much pay while management pay has increased, so.... Tell us what to do, B19. C'mon, respond.

Wacoflyr

 

[brokeflyer]

Union members are guys that hide behind the skirts of others and negotiate by mob mentality rather than in good faith.

It's takes no courage whatsoever to join a mob. It takes courage to stand up against a mob as an indivdual and ensure that the company is not jeapordized by the mob.

Oh, and there is no cube... it's an office, and what I write is echoed privately by any manager that has been screwed over by a union.

Guys like you Midge come a dime a dozen. You call people names and lack the courage to stand on your own. You are jealous of those that have been successful and want to tear them down... to make them share the wealth that they earned with their own efforts.

You need a union to do your dirty work for you because you ain't got the nuts to stand on your own and take control of your own career.

yeah but we're the "nicest" of all the mobs out there.....

so we got THAT going for us....

 

[Midge]

This guy has to be the biggest dickhead ever!

Union members are guys that hide behind the skirts of others and negotiate by mob mentality rather than in good faith.

Now that right there is some funny ********************! Spoken like someon hiding comfortably behind his computer keyboard and hiding under the cover of anomosity! Since you've been called out on your cowardly insults wanting to hob nob with management you've done nothing to prove that typical dumbass management never takes responsibility for its constant ******************** ups! Thank God there are hard working union members to keep morons like you in check!

It's takes no courage whatsoever to join a mob. It takes courage to stand up against a mob as an indivdual and ensure that the company is not jeapordized by the mob.

:laugh:
Is that what they teach you in management 101? I bet its time for you to sharpen some pencils or something? The only standing up you're doing is behind the security of your computer!
How many companies have been ruined by bad management? How many employees wrongfully terminated by bad management. How many unions have gotten wrongfully terminated employees their jobs back due to piss poor management? You call unions a mob because you're afraid of what they represent. They represent a fight against the MISmanagemt of the U.S.A!

Oh, and there is no cube... it's an office, and what I write is echoed privately by any manager that has been screwed over by a union.

Don't worry nancy, no matter how bad you ******************** up your next company as a, EHEM, manager, you'll get your golden parachute, protected pension, all the while trying to stick it up the ass of the worker you're trying to wrongfully fire! Its a good thing I have a union to protect me against your incompetence!

Guys like you Midge come a dime a dozen. You call people names and lack the courage to stand on your own.

Wrong! Guys like me stand up to morons like you because we don't hide behind our titles. That's right nancy, you hide behind your big desk, behind your big title because you're a little man! Guys like you are even cheaper.....Let me guess, havahd law degree? Yeah, you guys have run airlines for years losing money. Congrats B19, you're in a class all by yourself!

You are jealous of those that have been successful and want to tear them down... to make them share the wealth that they earned with their own efforts.

No, I want to keep dickheads like you from destroying my company.....You come in here with your $$million contract, and golden parachute, do your damage, ruin my company, and go on to ruin another company! How you "earned" that is beyond me! You're "brilliance" has cost thousands their livelyhoods, but that's ok, you'll just move on to the next company and destroy it!

You need a union to do your dirty work for you because you ain't got the nuts to stand on your own and take control of your own career.

I got the nuts nancy, you see I ain't the one hiding behind the computer making :crying: comments about union thugs! You are!
So thanks for proving my point. I'll keep my union membership to make dumbasses like you actually have to run a company! You see when you are taking your 2 hour lunches and billing it on the company drinking your martini's, you continue to screw over hard working employees, thus solidifying my need to be a union member.
Thanks, keep up the incompetence B19, you're a real winner!

Your pal and union worker,
Midge

 

[dime line]

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Now that right there is some funny ********************! Spoken like someon hiding comfortably behind his computer keyboard and hiding under the cover of anomosity! Since you've been called out on your cowardly insults wanting to hob nob with management you've done nothing to prove that typical dumbass management never takes responsibility for its constant ******************** ups! Thank God there are hard working union members to keep morons like you in check!


:laugh:
Is that what they teach you in management 101? I bet its time for you to sharpen some pencils or something? The only standing up you're doing is behind the security of your computer!
How many companies have been ruined by bad management? How many employees wrongfully terminated by bad management. How many unions have gotten wrongfully terminated employees their jobs back due to piss poor management? You call unions a mob because you're afraid of what they represent. They represent a fight against the MISmanagemt of the U.S.A!



Don't worry nancy, no matter how bad you ******************** up your next company as a, EHEM, manager, you'll get your golden parachute, protected pension, all the while trying to stick it up the ass of the worker you're trying to wrongfully fire! Its a good thing I have a union to protect me against your incompetence!



Wrong! Guys like me stand up to morons like you because we don't hide behind our titles. That's right nancy, you hide behind your big desk, behind your big title because you're a little man! Guys like you are even cheaper.....Let me guess, havahd law degree? Yeah, you guys have run airlines for years losing money. Congrats B19, you're in a class all by yourself!


No, I want to keep dickheads like you from destroying my company.....You come in here with your $$million contract, and golden parachute, do your damage, ruin my company, and go on to ruin another company! How you "earned" that is beyond me! You're "brilliance" has cost thousands their livelyhoods, but that's ok, you'll just move on to the next company and destroy it!



I got the nuts nancy, you see I ain't the one hiding behind the computer making :crying: comments about union thugs! You are!
So thanks for proving my point. I'll keep my union membership to make dumbasses like you actually have to run a company! You see when you are taking your 2 hour lunches and billing it on the company drinking your martini's, you continue to screw over hard working employees, thus solidifying my need to be a union member.
Thanks, keep up the incompetence B19, you're a real winner!

Your pal and union worker,
Midge

Dammm I'm voting for you!!!!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Before you said we accepted a career that is paid to scale, now you tell us to stand on our own.... Who negotiates the scale? Oh that's right, we as individuals do. Hey, wait a minute, that won't work. We all agree we have to negotiate, because pilots have forfeited so much pay while management pay has increased, so.... Tell us what to do, B19. C'mon, respond.

Wacoflyr

Wacoflyr, you knew when you became a pilot how the pay structure was, right? You knew that top pay would be for a legacy carrier with a four degree flying large equipment internationally, right?

In aviation that's how the money comes as a pilot (unless you step behind a desk), and you negotiate through skills, education and experience. The method is different, but the results are the same.

Those that chose to fly without the education or desire to fly that kind of equipment should have different expectations of what their income should be. Then, you aren't doing it for the money.

I don't know about you.. but when I started to fly I wanted to get everything aviation had for me by working my way through the traditional route, commuter, regional and legacy. I knew exactly what to expect but I was forced to a different path. Even then, I still chose to follow it best I could until it was derailed twice by unions.

The scale you mention is detirmined by the business model, not how big a boat you want. The stability of the company is more important than how fast your motorcycle is.

If you wanted to afford a big boat and a fast motorcycle, your best best would be to have gone the traditional route up through a major.

Where do you feel that management pay has increased? Because you see that a handful of senior managment that has responsibility for the entire company gets compensated more? Rank and file management hasn't increased, if anything it's been cut more than pilot pay because they are the ones that get hit first before the pilots do.

You need to get off of that thinking of the 1% person at the top and think about the 99% of everybody else that just wants a stable job without the threat of a layoff. Stable companies that can adjust to the market place to that better than those that can't adjust.

 

[wacoflyr]

Thank you. We fundamentaly disagree, but I appreciate the well reasoned response.

Wacoflyr

 

[B19 Flyer]

You must be a democrat.

Originally Posted by Midge:

Now that right there is some funny ********************! Spoken like someon hiding comfortably behind his computer keyboard and hiding under the cover of anomosity! Since you've been called out on your cowardly insults wanting to hob nob with management you've done nothing to prove that typical dumbass management never takes responsibility for its constant ******************** ups! Thank God there are hard working union members to keep morons like you in check!

I've clearly stated repeatedly Midge that if you can do a better job, step into management. Guys like you will never do it and leave the dirty work for others because you either don't have the skills to do it are just lazy enough to accept what others will do for you. While this board allows me privacy, I'm anything but private in my management position.


Is that what they teach you in management 101? I bet its time for you to sharpen some pencils or something? The only standing up you're doing is behind the security of your computer!

If you think that is what management does all day, it doesn't surprise me that you would let others speak for you. It also seems like the kind of job you'd probably be good at.

How many companies have been ruined by bad management? How many employees wrongfully terminated by bad management. How many unions have gotten wrongfully terminated employees their jobs back due to piss poor management?

As I have stated before, I have seen unsafe pilots saved by the union grievance process over and over. I've actually had union reps defending pilots that they would not fly with. It's up to management to maintain the workplace. If unions were so damn smart, they should start their own airline rather than take over the efforts that somebody else has put together.


You call unions a mob because you're afraid of what they represent. They represent a fight against the MISmanagemt of the U.S.A!

I call unions a mob because that is exactly what they are. Unions are bullies that suck the life out of a company. When a company with a union stumbles due to the economy, the unions never accept responsibility. They blame management even though they tell their membership that they are there to improve the company. If they really did that, no company would ever falter. Instead, they take the money and run. When programs fail like ASAP, they blame management, not themselves.



Don't worry nancy, no matter how bad you ******************** up your next company as a, EHEM, manager, you'll get your golden parachute, protected pension, all the while trying to stick it up the ass of the worker you're trying to wrongfully fire! Its a good thing I have a union to protect me against your incompetence!

That doens't make any sense.. sounds like a bit of jealousy to me that somebody else has more talent than you.


Wrong! Guys like me stand up to morons like you because we don't hide behind our titles. That's right nancy, you hide behind your big desk, behind your big title because you're a little man! Guys like you are even cheaper.....Let me guess, havahd law degree? Yeah, you guys have run airlines for years losing money. Congrats B19, you're in a class all by yourself!

I have no clue who "nancy" is, but once again.. sounds like you really are jealous of others because they are more successful than you financially. In the history of aviation, all of it... the industry has been a break even entity. That is well known.

No, I want to keep dickheads like you from destroying my company.....You come in here with your $$million contract, and golden parachute, do your damage, ruin my company, and go on to ruin another company! How you "earned" that is beyond me! You're "brilliance" has cost thousands their livelyhoods, but that's ok, you'll just move on to the next company and destroy it!

Unions have cost just as many jobs and have harmed more than you’ll ever know because it’s clear you limit your opinions to those within your own group. Every time a union comes onto the property it disrupts the original business plan and places the company into a financial situation that it hadn’t planned on. If you aren’t happy Midge, go find a carrier that will make you happy. Nobody is forcing you to work there.

I got the nuts nancy, you see I ain't the one hiding behind the computer making comments about union thugs! You are!

I’m not hiding Midge, I’m very high profile and in the kind of position that keeps people like you from hurting yourself every day on the line. This is a public message board and I choose to keep personal information private.

So thanks for proving my point. I'll keep my union membership to make dumbasses like you actually have to run a company! You see when you are taking your 2 hour lunches and billing it on the company drinking your martini's, you continue to screw over hard working employees, thus solidifying my need to be a union member.

The only points you’ve proved Midge is your ignorance on the business side of the industry, the effects that organized labor has on the industry and your inability to stand on your own to be responsible for your own career.

Thanks, keep up the incompetence B19, you're a real winner!

No incompetence.. I stand on my own Midge and am responsible to speak for myself and take care of my own career. I can’t imagine anybody speaking for me. You are probably a democrat.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Dammm I'm voting for you!!!!

He's a democrat.... :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

yeah but we're the "nicest" of all the mobs out there.....

so we got THAT going for us....

The days of the burning barrel have long passed....

You are right..

 

[brokeflyer]

careful or ill get joe pesci on your $hit......he and I are oike....tight ya know

 

[EngineThunder]

I saw N181CR just land at CGF direct from Cabo via El Paso. How are those pilots able to stand being KR's pilots??? I heard what they get paid to fly that GIV which is another thread altogether.

 

[Hogprint]

When all the great CEOs of the '90s were showing record setting industry profits and unions were touting their industry leading contracts, there wasn't a union member that didn't love them.

This is it in a nutshell. The "Great" CEO's of the 90's as you say were a product of the media that made them into rock stars. I'm willing to bet you fell under that spell.

What you failed to mention was the "greats" of the 90's were making 450% more than the highest paid worker. Now the backlash of those heady days are upon us.

I wonder if your "greats" and yourself will realign within the system?

 

[shanes123]

How are those pilots able to stand being KR's pilots???

Whos flying that plane now ?

 

[B19 Flyer]

the classic union argument

This is it in a nutshell. The "Great" CEO's of the 90's as you say were a product of the media that made them into rock stars. I'm willing to bet you fell under that spell.

What you failed to mention was the "greats" of the 90's were making 450% more than the highest paid worker. Now the backlash of those heady days are upon us.

I wonder if your "greats" and yourself will realign within the system?

And Hogprint, they have 1000% more responsibility than the highest paid worker. So, it's a bargain.

They weren't a product of the media, they were successful. The industry took record-breaking profits and they got paid for it just like the pilots did.

The "greats" are no longer within the system and I believe the system suffers as a result. Those that knew how to make it happen were forced to step out of the way as a result of union pressure. When times are tough, you want the best running the company, not a discount CEO.

That is the classic union argument Hogprint.

Who do you want flying the airplane when it all goes to hell, the low hour pilot or the experienced pilot?

The union feels that pilots should be paid a competitive compensation on par with any pilot flying the same equipment regardless of the company or business model, but do not feel that CEOs should be paid the same as their peer group. Double standard, but as a union leader, you know that, right?

There are a lot more pilots that can fly airplanes than there are those that can run a multi million/billion dollar company.

As I've stated before, if it was so easy, why don't unions have their own airline and stop screwing up everybody elses?

I'll answer that for you. Because we both know it's easier for a union to leech of somebody else's success.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Good example of union rules....

A dedicated union pilot was attending overnighting in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels.​

When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, 'Is this a union house?'

'No,' she replied, 'I'm sorry it isn't.'
'Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The house gets $80 and the girls get $20,' she answered.
Offended at such unfair dealings, the union pilot stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully, unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, 'Why, yes sir, this is a union house. 'We observe all union rules.'
The man asked, 'And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.'
'That's more like it!' the union pilot said. ​

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive green-eyed blonde.

'I'd like her,' he said.
'I'm sure you would, sir,' said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, 'but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next.'​

:laugh:​

 

[Midge]

I've clearly stated repeatedly Midge that if you can do a better job, step into management. Guys like you will never do it and leave the dirty work for others because you either don't have the skills to do it are just lazy enough to accept what others will do for you.

Thanks for the advice B19 moron. I'm already in management. I have run a construction business for the past 20 years. I've been quite successful at it too. I appreciate the vote of confidence. I'll bet you the only dirty work you claim to know is the one where you get your finger nails dirty while sharpening pencils for the "real bosses." Me? I've been dirty for more than 20 years. Since you probably don't even know what a shovel is, I'll remind you its the one you need to dig out of the hole your company finds itself in right now thanks to your poor managment performance!

While this board allows me privacy, I'm anything but private in my management position.

And yet you find time with your busy management schedule to hang out here with the dirty union personell! How blazingly daring of you!

If you think that is what management does all day, it doesn't surprise me that you would let others speak for you. It also seems like the kind of job you'd probably be good at.

I've already proven to you that I run a very successful company, with proven profits for more than 20 years. Bet you can't say the same. Oh yeah, and BTW, my salary is dictated on my company's performance. Bet you can't say the same. But that's ok, when you continue to run your company into the ground driving hard working employees out of their job, at least you'll have that iron clad contract (you know the one's that unions have with their employer) that will save your dumbass!

As I have stated before, I have seen unsafe pilots saved by the union grievance process over and over. I've actually had union reps defending pilots that they would not fly with. It's up to management to maintain the workplace. If unions were so damn smart, they should start their own airline rather than take over the efforts that somebody else has put together.

And how many company's that have been around for 75+ years dismantled by mismanagement of morons like yourself? How about enron for one. Let's talk Fannie Mae. How many airlines that have been around for years. Eastern, TWA, Braniff. All done in by incompetent morons like yoruself. I'm glad you're so proud of that kind of work!
No Since you're neither a pilot, nor a union worker, I'll strike the above comment as speaking out of your ass, which you've been proven to be more than eloquent at!

I call unions a mob because that is exactly what they are. Unions are bullies that suck the life out of a company.

Where on earth do you come up with this stuff? Are you that stupid? Yeah, based on your postings, I'd say you are! I've just stated a half dozen companies that have gone tango uniform due to piss poor management. Were you or your dad the boss of one of them? My guess is you're right behind them in wrecking your present company. My pity to the poor folks that have to save your ass for incompetence. Good thing there's a union on the property to keep you in check!

When a company with a union stumbles due to the economy, the unions never accept responsibility. They blame management even though they tell their membership that they are there to improve the company. If they really did that, no company would ever falter. Instead, they take the money and run. When programs fail like ASAP, they blame management, not themselves.

Thanks. You've just proven you have no clue and are in the same class as the 5 year old living behind me. Last time I checked it was management rewarding themselves for ruining companies. Just check the headlines einstein. The government bails out the institutions and then the management team rewards themselves worth $$millions of hard earned taxpayer dollars. Keep up the debate B19, you're keeping my union support alive and well. Even for my employees.

That doens't make any sense.. sounds like a bit of jealousy to me that somebody else has more talent than you.

You should probably stand up and clear your throat when you talk nonsense like the above. I'm sure its much easier to talk when you're not sitting on the orafice that spews this jibberish!

I have no clue who "nancy" is, but once again.. sounds like you really are jealous of others because they are more successful than you financially. In the history of aviation, all of it... the industry has been a break even entity. That is well known.

Well then by all means dickhead. Give yourself another bonus. You deserve it. After all, its a break even industry and who needs profits as long as the management team is rewarded for its incompetence.
And nancy is you!

Unions have cost just as many jobs and have harmed more than you’ll ever know because it’s clear you limit your opinions to those within your own group. Every time a union comes onto the property it disrupts the original business plan and places the company into a financial situation that it hadn’t planned on. If you aren’t happy Midge, go find a carrier that will make you happy. Nobody is forcing you to work there.

I work there because its enjoyable. I can keep my hand in my business by letting my family run it and take care of my employees and can fly at the same time. You would have no clue about that cause you're too busy sticking it up the ass of the worker and moving on to the next company to ruin!

I’m not hiding Midge, I’m very high profile and in the kind of position that keeps people like you from hurting yourself every day on the line. This is a public message board and I choose to keep personal information private.

You keep me from hurting myself. What are you, the mirror when I shave?:laugh: I'm the guy who makes sure you don't harm an innocent employee for the self gain of yourself. By having my union keep its eye on you, you can't terminate an employee because he/she has made it successful and is making the proper money he/she should be. Don't worry numbnuts, you'll still have your golden parachute when you destroy the company you're "trying" to run!

The only points you’ve proved Midge is your ignorance on the business side of the industry, the effects that organized labor has on the industry and your inability to stand on your own to be responsible for your own career.

I've proven I'm able to stand on my career, which is 2 sided. Let's see you stand on your own. Next time its time for concessions, lead by example for your employees. I have yet to see a high level management person take concessions to help save his company. Naaah, its much easier to screw over the employees. Remember, you got your contract!

No incompetence.. I stand on my own Midge and am responsible to speak for myself and take care of my own career. I can’t imagine anybody speaking for me. You are probably a democrat.

And when you do speak, its probably out of your ass! I can't imagine anyone trusting you. It's obvious by your posts, your either a managment wanna be or some pencil sharpening putz working in a high level office who's serving coffee to the real boss!

 

[brokeflyer]

A dedicated union pilot was attending overnighting in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels.​

When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, 'Is this a union house?'

'No,' she replied, 'I'm sorry it isn't.'
'Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The house gets $80 and the girls get $20,' she answered.
Offended at such unfair dealings, the union pilot stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully, unionized shop.
His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, 'Why, yes sir, this is a union house. 'We observe all union rules.'
The man asked, 'And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?'
'The girls get $80 and the house gets $20.'
'That's more like it!' the union pilot said. ​

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive green-eyed blonde.

'I'd like her,' he said.
'I'm sure you would, sir,' said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, 'but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next.'​

:laugh:​

thats friggin funny.....

 

[B19 Flyer]

c'mon up to the big leagues...

see previous nonsense....

Midge...

Construction and aviation, two different businesses entirely.

Apples and oranges...

You think because you have made some money in construction that it's comparable to aviation?

pahlease......

When a union invades YOUR company, tells you how much you are going to pay, how many hours they are going to work and attempt to run virtually every program in the building... check back in. Let's see how much freedom you have at that point to make your meager profit.

Until then, I don't care where you have made your millions (how successful can you be, after all... you are still working two jobs...)

Managing any company with a union is hard, making a profit is even harder...

Try it some time... c'mon up to the big leagues...

 

[doh]

If you treated your pilots fairly, you wouldn't have a union. But cancers like you can't seem to do that. You get what you get when you do what you do.

 

[shanes123]

BT Couldnt get laid in a whorehouse with a fist full of fifties even if the broad was 97 working there..

 

[Midge]

Midge...

Construction and aviation, two different businesses entirely.

Apples and oranges...

Wrong! Managment is management numbnuts. Both are subject to market forces, mine more so than yours. My workers have a union. More typical not knowing what you're talking about bull******************** from you!

You think because you have made some money in construction that it's comparable to aviation?

pahlease......

No Nancy. I know that I have been in a management position before, and that I know what I'm talking about. Something you cannot say.

When a union invades YOUR company, tells you how much you are going to pay, how many hours they are going to work and attempt to run virtually every program in the building... check back in.

Hey B19. I'm checking back in. Its called negotiations. I'm sure you would know that if you were in management. My workers have a "negotiated" contract. How about yours???? Oh that's right, its your father that has dicked up the company. Your'e just here to try to distract from his wrong doings, right son??

Let's see how much freedom you have at that point to make your meager profit.

See the above statement management wanna be!

Until then, I don't care where you have made your millions (how successful can you be, after all... you are still working two jobs...)

Oh B19. You were doing so well. Well not really. Obviously you were out to lunch when they taught you how to negotiate contracts and run a company successfully. I'll leave you with the last word since you posts show that you're about 13 and haven't the faintest idea of what a real working man's position is. You're obviously a management plant who's come on here to piss off pilots. You're pretty good at that, but don't really have a clue what goes on in the real world. I have a feeling that you're not in management, not a grown up, but some snot nose kid who's dad has ********************ed up a company real bad and is getting ******************** on because of his dad's mismanagement of a company. I'll tell you what kid, when you grow up and have a job that doesn't include sharpening pencils and , setting up water bottles at board meetings, let me know. Get back to me then punk...

Managing any company with a union is hard, making a profit is even harder...

Try it some time... c'mon up to the big leagues...

You wold never know kid. Your daddy is the one in the management position. You're just here to argue for argument's sake. Get back to scratching your daddy's leg. That's about the league you're in kid. You give it away with the timing of your posts. I guess you just ran home from the office at 1753 and had to run right to flightinfo? You've been exposed fraud! Get on that homework before mom and dad find out about you playing on the computer!
Good day little man!

 

[brokeflyer]

can you say "OWNED"?

lol