B-737 type rating for SWA hurt you elsewhere?

[canyonblue737]

both are good companies. we can argue about future profitability of both companies, but right now SWA seems to have the upper hand. Also max FO pay at SWA is only a couple thousand dollars less than max CA pay at JB. things to consider.

 

[Lear70]

True dat !!! But I thought your comments were about training....not actually flying the airplane...and your statement concerning training....when I walked out of that sim building with my freshly printed, wet ink, type rating and not yet having flown the airplane ( well, in the Left seat, anyway)....it was no different that a type one gets from a type school....it said "B 737" just like any other type....

In a lot of places, I'm sure that's very true, especially for the 737.

In some other places, like Express One which was turning a 727 over to guys in their 20's, the type rides were brutal, orals could last between 6 to 8 hours, although the flying part wasn't too terribly bad.

Same thing for my CRJ type, the instructor got "creative" and gave me to simultaneous failures on top of each other (in violation of reg). Did OK, but some places aren't as friendly as others whereas the type rating mills wouldn't ever do that, it'd kill business.

Either way, I don't think that an employer would view it as a "plus" or some sort of "guarantee" that you'd pass THEIR training. I think THAT was the point I was trying to make and might not have done very well making.

And remember....airlines also do 737 type training to outside customers. In fact, as I recall, my old legacy also started charging for those that "just might want" a 737 type....and the pilots that took advantage of that never had any intention of flying the airplane....at that airline.

Tejas

Yeah, I seem to remember USAirways doing something like that back in the early 90's (don't know if that's where you were talking about as I KINDA recall UAL doing it too). My dad mentioned it to me but I had no intention of buying the type. I'm sure places like that had no intention of busting anyone out, people would stop paying...

 

[Double Shot]

I think it ultimately boils down to how your potential employers VIEW
THEMSELVES on the food chain. CAL, JetBlue, etc seem to be comfortable in the knowledge that if they hire you, you are not going to jump ship to SWA.

Whereas, say, Allegiant, Champion, Kallitta, etc. know the score and will hold it against you.

I think the interviewing employer's attitude towards this issue SPEAKS VOLUMES as to what they have to offer career-wise.

I did... Best thing I ever did too..

 

[hawk16e]

While interviewing to fly Lears and King Airs (with time in each) usually the first or second question was "You've been flying a DC-8 and have a 737 type. Why are you here?" At other airlines, it wasn't an issue (for me.)

 

[Phaedrus]

Wasn't an issue at AirTran or FedEx. I do wish I had my 7g's back though.

 

[Splinter]

It's pretty small minded for an interviewer to screw you for having a type. Air Tran, JB, and FedEx are loaded with new hires that bought the type. Not a big deal. They should remember that you cannot put all your eggs in one basket. Just remember that your loyalties now lie with your new employer and to show that in your interview.

 

[fandango]

No such thing as a free type

Nevermind.

 

[TexaSWA]

Have heard that UPS HR is very hesitant about a candidate with a 737 type.

We have had quite a few UPS guys come through the interview lately, so I wouldnt doubt it seeing that the company gets the background check request.

 

[skydiverdriver2]

Pilots are trying to leave UPS for SWA? Do you know why? Nothing against SWA, but once you get on with a good employer like UPS, why would you switch?

Thanks.

 

[FreightNazi]

Pilots are trying to leave UPS for SWA? Do you know why? Nothing against SWA, but once you get on with a good employer like UPS, why would you switch?

Thanks.

So they can be a "real" airline pilot. You know, unruly passengers, TSA, quick turns all day, no time to eat in a civilized manner, early AM shows, worry about the price of fuel, worry about some startup taking your business away and they get to prance around the terminals in front of all the passengers with their precious uniform on!

 

[vetrider]

People will never figure out that the grass is not greener over there.

 

[jtmpilot]

its not greener but at least you can see the sunlight hitting the grass

 

[K-Mart]

So they can be a "real" airline pilot. You know, unruly passengers, TSA, quick turns all day, no time to eat in a civilized manner, early AM shows, worry about the price of fuel, worry about some startup taking your business away and they get to prance around the terminals in front of all the passengers with their precious uniform on!

Better than 11 PM shows.

 

[Figmo]

You said it, HR. What's the problem with hiring these days???????

 

[av8trix]

SW wasn't my first choice, but they were one of the few hiring when I left active duty, so I spent the cash to have a chance at a good job.

Interviewed at Comair...they seemed concerned about it (that I'd leave as soon as SW called), but hired me anyway.

I don't think UPS even asked me about it, and I was hired by them.

SW has never called. Oh well. It was a good way to get my ATP, I guess!

I really don't think a company cares, as long as they get the impression from you that you won't up and leave if SW calls.

 

[Whataburger]

So they can be a "real" airline pilot. You know, unruly passengers, TSA, quick turns all day, no time to eat in a civilized manner, early AM shows, worry about the price of fuel, worry about some startup taking your business away and they get to prance around the terminals in front of all the passengers with their precious uniform on!

We dont deal w/pax, the FAs and CSAs do. TSA - never had a problem. The quick turns keep things going and is instrumental to our 30+ years of profitability. Food? Eating free peanuts all day isnt civililzed? The CA hooks me up with a burrito now and again. AM shows - we have AMs and PMs. My earliest report is 1:30PM this month. Price of fuel? GK is taking care of us. Some startup taking our business?? LOLOLOLOL!!!!! Prancing? The quick turns prevent us from having much time to prance. My SWA leather jacket is pretty bad-a$$ though!
Might wanna step out of your sleep room before you write another ignorant post.

 

[Murphy]

Some startup taking our business?? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!


things that make you go..............

 

[Whataburger]

Can you back that up?

 

[TexaSWA]

People will never figure out that the grass is not greener over there.

its pretty frickin' green. If youre unhappy where you are now, you will undoubtedly find it greener. If youre happy where you are then its not an issue.

 

[FLY CONTINENTAL]

At Continental we type you in every aircraft you get trained in, and in the real world folks aquire a lot of different ratings and are not sure where and sometimes how your career will work out. Come to Continental, and if it comes up have a professional and honest answer. All you can do is answer the best you can and hope for the best--- Go for it! Don't worry--- Also at Continental we do deal with customers not just the FA's and CSA's. Its part of all of our jobs to ensure our customers have the best experience ever. If you do not like the customer angle then I suggest freight. Our jobs all over lap and ensuring a positive customer experience is everyones job---even the pilots. (Kids coming the the cockpit, senior customers that want to talk with the Captain, a US Senator that has a question about a connection, or a stressed out customer that wants to make sure the pilots are safe. These happen sometimes often and sometimes not at all but return business can be based on interactions with any employee group. Kind of surprised by the responce from some colleagues from other airlines.

Beleive it or not in out Flight Manual the use of cellphones is strongly discouraged unless absolutely necessary when in view of the public so all co-workers are available to assist customers while in the concourses etc...

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/company/shanghai.aspx?SID=3F3887CFB66C4746B18B4380BCAAD381

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[FNG_that's me]

At Continental we type you in every aircraft you get trained in, and in the real world folks aquire a lot of different ratings and are not sure where and sometimes how your career will work out. Come to Continental, and if it comes up have a professional and honest answer. All you can do is answer the best you can and hope for the best--- Go for it! Don't worry--- Also at Continental we do deal with customers not just the FA's and CSA's. Its part of all of our jobs to ensure our customers have the best experience ever. If you do not like the customer angle then I suggest freight. Our jobs all over lap and ensuring a positive customer experience is everyones job---even the pilots. (Kids coming the the cockpit, senior customers that want to talk with the Captain, a US Senator that has a question about a connection, or a stressed out customer that wants to make sure the pilots are safe. These happen sometimes often and sometimes not at all but return business can be based on interactions with any employee group. Kind of surprised by the responce from some colleagues from other airlines.

Beleive it or not in out Flight Manual the use of cellphones is strongly discouraged unless absolutely necessary when in view of the public so all co-workers are available to assist customers while in the concourses etc...

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/company/shanghai.aspx?SID=3F3887CFB66C4746B18B4380BCAAD381


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Anybody else get the impression that this is 'Floyd' from the continental crew scheduling audio tape?

 

[FLY CONTINENTAL]

say again?

 

[Double Shot]

Go to CAL, get the type and then go to SWA.

Thats what I did and I highly recommend it!

 

[FLY CONTINENTAL]

Or just stay at CAL, travel the world and have fun. Southwest is a great place. There was a guy from Southwest in the class after mine, guess he did it in reverse. Good Luck--- have to say the international flying is a blast if you have any interest. Movement at CO is tremendous and folks could see upgrades to Captain in 4 years from DOH hire based on todays growth and expansion plus the 787!
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[FLY CONTINENTAL]

CAL is hiring 60-70 a month, sorry you left CO. Have fun at SWA.
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[TexaSWA]

At Continental we type you in every aircraft you get trained in, and in the real world folks aquire a lot of different ratings and are not sure where and sometimes how your career will work out. Come to Continental, and if it comes up have a professional and honest answer. All you can do is answer the best you can and hope for the best--- Go for it! Don't worry--- Also at Continental we do deal with customers not just the FA's and CSA's. Its part of all of our jobs to ensure our customers have the best experience ever. If you do not like the customer angle then I suggest freight. Our jobs all over lap and ensuring a positive customer experience is everyones job---even the pilots. (Kids coming the the cockpit, senior customers that want to talk with the Captain, a US Senator that has a question about a connection, or a stressed out customer that wants to make sure the pilots are safe. These happen sometimes often and sometimes not at all but return business can be based on interactions with any employee group. Kind of surprised by the responce from some colleagues from other airlines.

Beleive it or not in out Flight Manual the use of cellphones is strongly discouraged unless absolutely necessary when in view of the public so all co-workers are available to assist customers while in the concourses etc...

http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/company/shanghai.aspx?SID=3F3887CFB66C4746B18B4380BCAAD381


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Of course we all deal with PAX on the customer service level as you were stating. My point was that when there is a problem, ie. drunks, lav smokers or general misconduct, its dealt with by FAs and then customer svc supervisors. Cops if it gets to that point. My comment was in response to the "boxes dont bitch" thing. As pilots our dealings with passengers are usually very positive. I have friends at CAL who love it. Im sure its a great place. Ive done international before and it would be great to have that option at SWA. It will probably be there sooner or later. We too are hiring about 80 per month, many from other majors CAL included. Im sure you guys have taken some of ours too. Great careers at either airline.