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All I gotta say is...Shaka brah :cool:
 
It was the old expensive 747's, the war in Iraq, and bad planning that almost cost AWA it's shirt...not Hawaii.

I always get a kick out of the guys and gals who say that "Hawaii is a money losing market" or "Hawaii is only good for attracting frequent flyers". If you think that then you need to go do a little more research.

Just another example of why pilots should stay out of the business side of things and stick with the flying part.
 
ILStoMinimums said:
I was thinking that an airline needed to be all ETOPS or non-ETOPS, or can just a few planes be equipped?
To be etops qualified the airline needs OpSpecs approval which means an acceptable inflight engine shut-down rate, crew and maintenance training and an etops-specific MEL. The airplane is usually already etops-ready. The issue at AWA is that the oldest batch of 757's (ex-Eastern) were not built etops-ready (something to do with the ram-air-turbine (RAT) I think).

It's a similar kind of thing with CATII/III capability. All AWA aircraft are CAT-capable but as yet only the Airbus fleet is CAT-certified. The 737 CAT approval should be this year.
 
ETOPS---Engines Turn Or People Swim.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Fly-n-hi, support your case please... both island carriers are bankrupt and the highest used frequent flyer miles are used to the islands.
 
Actually, Hawaiian Airlines is out of Bankruptcy and has had a string of profits for over a year and a half. Also, since Sept. 11, loads to Hawaii from the mainland have gone through the roof, and continue to climb. The fact is, that for many of the larger carriers, the Hawaii routes have been one of the few routes they have that continue to make them money. Having said that, the market is beginning to saturate with competition, which a year ago did not exist. North American, and ATA have steadily increased their service to the islands, while Hawaiian continues to vow that they plan on expanding their service as well. Now AWA will start to fly PHX and LAS to Hawaii. Is there enough traffic to keep everyone's seat's full? Who knows.


Also, the main difference between ETOPS and non-ETOPS 757's has to do with the Electrical systems. The ETOPS aircraft have an HMG (or HDG depending on your carrier's manuals) which is a hydraulic generator which acts as a backup in the event of a dual AC Bus failure. The rat is the same on all of the 757's, and just acts to give you Hydraulics in the event of a dual engine failure. The cost to re-wire non HDG equipped aircraft to make them ETOPS capable is pretty substantial.
 
Fly-n-hi, support your case please... both island carriers are bankrupt and the highest frequent flyer used miles are used to the islands


Hawaiian Airlines is out of BK. During BK Hawaiian made substantial profits post 9-11 due to the drop off in international travel by Americans. Hawaii was a much safer place at the time and Hawaiian could raise fares due to the unforcasted demand that exsisted.
It took a couple of years for all the other carriers to realize the profit margins on Hawaiian routes were pretty good compared to other markets. Now the market is already saturated and fares have dropped to brake even or losing margins.
Hawaiian will feel the effects of losing it's code share with AWA- the feed it provided made our PHX-HNL flight one of our best $$$ makers. Hopefully AWA will keep the fares at a reasonable level so we can all make $$$.
 
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