AWA hiring US Airways furloughed pilots?

[wingit]

I've heard through the grapvine that AWA will have to hire from the US Airways furloughed pilots before they bring on pilots from their pool. Does anyone know anything about this? The last I heard from AWA is that they were still planning on hiring from the pool in the near future. I know everything is subject to change. I just want to hear what people might know about the matter.

 

[JetMonkey]

Its not that they HAVE to, that's what both mec's and management decided was the best decision.

 

[pnjohn75]

Last I heard is that they are considering hiring furloughed USAir pilots prior to hiring from the pool, or that both MEC's, and the company are discussing it.

The downside is that if they do decide to hire furloughed pilots prior the individuals in the pool, the company will wait to hire until the integration is complete, to prevent training events. Last I heard is 80 in the spring with another 80 or so next fall. But there are still rumors about possible hiring this year, to drain the pool, along with a bid message maybe next month.

Everything is in a state of flux to say the least. I'm not sure if the "newco" has even finalized the fleet plans? That being said, the rumors range from a captain bid message, to pending possible furlough's, and everything else in between.

I am not in the "know", but this is the latest I've heard, all else has been relatively quite. The calm before the storm?

Good luck to us all!

 

[furloughfodder]

Will they be hiring these furloughed USAir guys as new hires? Or will they retain their seniority?

 

[JetMonkey]

Will they be hiring these furloughed USAir guys as new hires? Or will they retain their seniority?

Its a new company.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Its a new company.

Soooo, I guess you are saying that all pilots on the property start over at first year wages?

Valid question since many of the furloughees have 15 years in with U. Will they be slotted in with the merger or boned out of their 1.5 decades with the airline?

Possibly fences on the 330's and 767's? Given U history in the past few years granted that there is not much happening there, however they are bringing routes and equipment that AWA has never come close to being able to operate on their own.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Soooo, I guess you are saying that all pilots on the property start over at first year wages?

Valid question since many of the furloughees have 15 years in with U. Will they be slotted in with the merger or boned out of their 1.5 decades with the airline?

Possibly fences on the 330's and 767's? Given U history in the past few years granted that there is not much happening there, however they are bringing routes and equipment that AWA has never come close to being able to operate on their own.

Our MEC has reported that if furloughed airways pilots are hired, they will retain longevity, not seniority. Longevity for time on the property, not including furlough. Furloughee's will not be slotted. That is more than fair.

Don't forget, America West operated 747's to HNL and Japan.

 

[JetMonkey]

Soooo, I guess you are saying that all pilots on the property start over at first year wages?

I didn't say that. Senority is more than wages, if these guys get to keep their years towards pay purposes then hey that's great, I'd be happy for them. I'm just pointing out that its not your daddy's old's anymore, these guys and gals will not be returning to the same company they left. I'm not trying to make an issue out of this, besides the two companies will still have to stay separate for two years and we WILL bring on new hires during this time. Wanna take a guess as to which side of the fence they'll be coming to?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Our MEC has reported that if furloughed airways pilots are hired, they will retain longevity, not seniority. Longevity for time on the property, not including furlough. Furloughee's will not be slotted. That is more than fair.

Don't forget, America West operated 747's to HNL and Japan.

As long as they keep their longevity for pay purposes I do not see a real issue. After all it is not about the seat your in, but the pay in the wallet anyhow.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Wanna take a guess as to which side of the fence they'll be coming to?

No way, seen too many mergers to make that call. Most of the time it is nothing like you expect it to be.

Is the plan still to keep the USAirways name? If so, that may throw a monkey wrench into the AWA guys plans about a merger policy. I would guess you will see some pretty long fences built up around the international flying, given the precidents set in the previous mergers.

Of course, all this is speculation.

 

[Prog 2/2]

No way, seen too many mergers to make that call. Most of the time it is nothing like you expect it to be.

Is the plan still to keep the USAirways name? If so, that may throw a monkey wrench into the AWA guys plans about a merger policy. I would guess you will see some pretty long fences built up around the international flying, given the precidents set in the previous mergers.

Of course, all this is speculation.

And not even well-informed speculation at that.

Yes, the combined airline will be called US Airways. No, it won't throw a monkey wrench in anything.

Reference a previous post of yours, nobody is getting "boned" out of anything. Unfortunately, many of the US Airways furloughees have a substantial number of years with the company, but there is no applicable merger precedent that would bring back a furloughee to replace a working pilot.

As for fences, they work both ways. AWA will begin service to Hawaii in December, should the US Air guys be fenced off that by virtue of the fact that they don't go there now? It has been my past experience with mergers that fences cause more long-term heartburn than almost any other aspect of integration methodology.

Not trying to pick on you, but your choice of the word "boned" was a bad one and you could do with a little better understanding of the factors at play.

 

[LearLove]

No way, seen too many mergers to make that call. Most of the time it is nothing like you expect it to be.

Is the plan still to keep the USAirways name? If so, that may throw a monkey wrench into the AWA guys plans about a merger policy. I would guess you will see some pretty long fences built up around the international flying, given the precidents set in the previous mergers.

Of course, all this is speculation.

What the he11 is this guys talking about?

 

[Fly-n-hi]

For the furloughed AAA pilots to get a job at the bottom of the list with previous longevity is more than generous. Maybe they've been at AAA for 15 years...but that includes 5 to 6 years or more of being furloughed.

As for US Airways flying A330's and 767's...so what??? They can keep 'em. Put fences up...I don't care. We'll be flying the A350's when they come anyways.

Everyone needs to understand this: America West is stonger of the two carriers. US Airways is not going to dictate terms to us.

 

[Formula1]

The question is "How many of the furloughed USAir guys and gals will come back when offered the job at the new USAir?" If there are supposedly 2000 or so on furlough- then will half of them even want the job?


Just curious,

 

[Fly-n-hi]

BTW,

We are going to offer the AAA pilots first crack at any new jobs. It will not be a recall. They have no rights at the new airline. If they don't want to be here, or if they think it's unfair that they don't get their original seniority, blah, blah, blah, they can simply find a job somewhere else.

I know quite a few guys from the regionals who would like to work here.