Avantair thriving in this economic downturn...

[brokeflyer]

Fischman, this particular thread was not actually about netjets. I know that is difficult for you to understand....

wow........

 

[netjetwife]

...Avantair is a great place to work just ask the 100 or so NetJets pilots who have sent in Resumes. ... New owners I guess we have cornered the market on that.

Would you know when the NJ pilots sent in resumes? In the interest of fairness, was it after flying slowed down? Perhaps this year when they started to worry that there might be a furlough at NJ? If so, that is a reflection of the economy, not their satisfaction with NJ. I'd say the same about you guys if things were reversed.

Congrats on the new business. It does appear that Avantair is the only frac currently hiring. In this cloudy economy that's a silver lining. NJW

 

[NJAowner]

The strange part about this thread is that both BTDT and Glasspilot agree that Avantair hired a pilot with zero (or minimal) experience because he owned aflight school. As someone who has hired many, many employees, I understand the "spirit" and many many other reasons one may be hired -- but in a managerial or supervisory position. As an owner, and flier, I do not want these traits (which may be great for the future or other positions), to be a reason or excuse to lower my hiring standards for PILOTS. Do I hire a brain surgeon based upon his business acumen or traits or do I just wan the best guy with the most experience operating on brains? If it happened once, that line may have been crossed other times for other reasons. Sorry -- that is not how I (and this is just my personal opinion) want safety handled on my behalf. Similarly, a few years ago, I had a flight planned that the software came up 10 lbs short on fuel -- yes 10 lbs - and NJ forced a fuel stop. It did not matter whether it was 1 lb. or 500 lbs., short was short when it came to fuel reserves. A little irritating at first, but 2 minutes later the level and concern for safety, and the unwillingness to cave it, was greatly appreciated.

To give them some credit for honesty, in due diligence, Avantair did admit that in some cases they deviate from their experince requirements in in the hiring process. That honesty is one of a few reasons which has kept me from being a current client, but still has them in the running for me to be a future client. (Which in the long run I think is in their best business interests).

Fly safe.

PS -- Avantairowner -- pilots are like surgeons. The ones with the best bedside manner, personality and communications skills are not always the best ones in the operating room. I know many docs whose personalities and patient relations are awful --- but I go to them because they are great in surgery, not because they give me a "warm and fuzzy feeling".

 

[avantairowner]

Netjetowner I am surprised you got sucked into this. Having run many companies I would think you would know better. I can only speak from my experience the level of competence I see is equal if not better than I experienced before. The pilots appear to really love what they do at Avantair and not just go through the motions. I am not the only one who feels that way it is the first thing every other owner I bump into says. Yesterday, I burned about 300 less gallons of fuel on my flight this is a great product operated by a terrific company. Further, in my diligence I discovered the flying experience of pilots in both companies to be similar.The airplanes themselves are newer and in better condition at least this is what I have seen in 33 hours of flying so far.

10lbs? I don't even know what to say. Isn't it possible that the winds could have been slightly different and you would have made it with reserves? This would have required an explanation with me.

Yes Netjets does a great job of branding and some buy into that and that helps them sleep at night.

Funny you mention healthcare since it is a sector I am active in. The truly great surgeons are great because of their skill level not the number of years they have been practicing.

 

[brokeflyer]

this thread isnt about netjets vs avantair. It wouldnt be wise to have that discussion. Im sure avantair has a lotta good selling points. If you fly between bos and hpn or something, economicly that is your plane. that range a jet may get you there 3 minutes faster...big deal.

If they hired low timers? well then you get what you pay for. There is a reason Netjets is the most expensive. There are lotta people who cant afford to move 25 million for a share, that is where avantair fills that gap. The service im sure is good at avantair.

The only diffrence is Netjets IS Netjets. Other than that, im sure its a good company. I dont know much about their management team but being aviation it's probly just that....aviation management...

so back to the point, it's great that avantair is holding steady. Did they recall all the furloughed pilots yet?

 

[HazMat]

Avantair has not Furloughed. You would be surprised at the speed of the plane not much difference on a three hour flight either.

 

[BoilerUP]

There are lotta people who cant afford to move 25 million for a share, that is where avantair fills that gap.

$25M for a share? That's hyperbole, right?

 

[brokeflyer]

$25M for a share? That's hyperbole, right?

you know what i mean....there's a reason netjets is the most expensive. I dont have the exact figures but a half share in the GV is probly close to that.

 

[mainiac]

this thread isnt about netjets vs avantair. It wouldnt be wise to have that discussion. Im sure avantair has a lotta good selling points. If you fly between bos and hpn or something, economicly that is your plane. that range a jet may get you there 3 minutes faster...big deal.

If they hired low timers? well then you get what you pay for. There is a reason Netjets is the most expensive. There are lotta people who cant afford to move 25 million for a share, that is where avantair fills that gap. The service im sure is good at avantair.

The only diffrence is Netjets IS Netjets. Other than that, im sure its a good company. I dont know much about their management team but being aviation it's probly just that....aviation management...

so back to the point, it's great that avantair is holding steady. Did they recall all the furloughed pilots yet?

I agree with you here, this thread shouldn't become a NJ vs Avantair post.
Suffice it to say that Avantair is continuing to grow, and has taken zero steps to reduce pilot numbers, in any way, voluntary or otherwise.

That has set us apart from everyone else in the Fractional world...

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Is it just me alone thinking that Avantairowner is a fake? If you are truly an Avantair owner, then...Congrats. Despite your constant run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and generally 8th grade writing, you have made something for yourself.

Whatever business you might be running, I sure hope that you'd have more creativity than your posts indicate on this board. The name alone: Avantairowner vs NJAowner, come-on! And you are defensive on every post, can't run a business with that mentality now!

You are quite observant, which must be one of your many qualities that propel you to success. I have yet to encounter a single owner notice what my actual fuel burn vs. planned fuel burn/ and or fuel saving, for that matter. Yet you notice a 300 gallons saving on your flight! Only a PILOT notice that sort of thing.