Avantair pay cut vacay elimination

[jonjuan]

I guess you didnt get the sarcasm

Nice recovery.

 

[glasspilot]

So I ran into two Avantair pilots I have flown with during my 5 years at Avantair today in MRY. They made it sound like the company was a sinking ship that would run out of money for operations this year... Any truth to this?!

Another thing jack bag,

You give dates and airports in your post. You could be getting your 'friends' fired or at least exposed to management. Maybe you should engage your brain before you post.

 

[sshrae]

If avantair is the type of company that would fire employees over comments like that or being a little disgruntled, getting fired might not be a bad thing. They would have a heck of a lawsuite and they would probably be right about the company running out of dough.

 

[Helmsalee]

I'm with Glass on this one. Right or not, this type of exposure is probably not something they wanted.
Helm

 

[OPECJet]

If avantair is the type of company that would fire employees over comments like that or being a little disgruntled, getting fired might not be a bad thing. They would have a heck of a lawsuite and they would probably be right about the company running out of dough.

Getting fired is never a good thing. You may recover, but explaining it at your next interview isn't going to be fun.

Hard to fund a lawsuit when you're hitting the savings acc't to put food on the table. Also, what are Florida's laws on the matter? I believe an employer can do what they want down there.

 

[Praetorian]

Another thing jack bag,

You give dates and airports in your post. You could be getting your 'friends' fired or at least exposed to management. Maybe you should engage your brain before you post.

Wow Cameron,

Obviously, based on your post, fear is running rampant. Since your companies' stock is circling the bowl, I'm surprised guys like you are guzzling the kool-aid like this. Sounds like a great place to work you've got there.

Thank God you guys decided not to band together and form a union. :erm:

Then guys like you and yip could have blamed all this on them.

 

[Praetorian]

Oh, I almost forgot. Can you call me a "jack bag" too? That would make it all worth it.

To think a distinguished Rat, such as yourself would shine the warmth of his attention my way... Swoon

 

[glasspilot]

How brave of you to call me by first name. All bow down to Sir coward.

 

[glasspilot]

Just noticed your 'distinguished rat' comment. Notice I'm posting protesting the outing of two pilots while your using my name in public.

Ummmmmm....


Have too much to drink again?

 

[Helmsalee]

Time for the mods to jump in here. Not cool guys.

 

[Capt. JD]

Another thing jack bag,

You give dates and airports in your post. You could be getting your 'friends' fired or at least exposed to management. Maybe you should engage your brain before you post.

Talk about getting fired? I am suprised your dumb a$$ still has a job at Avantair with all the stupid operational stuff you have done on the line! I guess you kiss a$$ real good... There where like 3 or 4 VNR's that flew into MRY that day, are they going to fire all the crews?? Maybe you should take your own advice!

 

[Praetorian]

How brave of you to call me by first name. All bow down to Sir coward.

A couple of my buds over at Avantair told me they thought they knew who you were on this message board. Thanks for taking the bait and confirming it for me.

Just noticed your 'distinguished rat' comment. Notice I'm posting protesting the outing of two pilots while your using my name in public.

Ummmmmm....

Have too much to drink again?

"I'm posting protesting the outing of two pilots", really? I find some irony in this statement, since I hear you almost singlehandedly dismantled the union drive at avantair by outing one of the organizers to management.

Ordinarily, I'd protest being called a coward and a drunk, especially since the latter is true but the opinions of a hypocrite, such as yourself don't concern me.

You probably think your actions have earned you the undying friendship of management, but I've heard it said that...


This principle is old, but true as fate, Kings may love treason, but the traitor hate. Thomas Dekker

 

[Capt. JD]

The Resume Fire Place

If avantair is the type of company that would fire employees over comments like that or being a little disgruntled, getting fired might not be a bad thing. They would have a heck of a lawsuite and they would probably be right about the company running out of dough.

Avantair is the type of fire happy place... They care more about their imagine then anything else, like maybe flight safety or regs! The only pilots that are safe from the tyrants in management are guys like Gl-asspilot. He kisses-a$$ so they keep him around I guess no matter what he does in the plane. They have a good lawyer, college buddy of mine, to protect them from unhappy employees!!

 

[glasspilot]

What's that...5 days since you sent me a Linked-In friend request JD?

Stay classy. Now I remember why I stopped posting here. ttfn.

 

[Capt. JD]

What's that...5 days since you sent me a Linked-In friend request JD?

Stay classy. Now I remember why I stopped posting here. ttfn.

Ha-Ha, I am still waiting for us to be friends! You are the Classy-Master, Gl-asspilot! Almost 1600 propaganda posts, why stop kicking out that knowledge on here??

 

[Geronimo4497]

Don't feed the troll.

Misery loves company.

 

[gret]

A couple of my buds over at Avantair told me they thought they knew who you were on this message board. Thanks for taking the bait and confirming it for me.



"I'm posting protesting the outing of two pilots", really? I find some irony in this statement, since I hear you almost singlehandedly dismantled the union drive at avantair by outing one of the organizers to management.

Ordinarily, I'd protest being called a coward and a drunk, especially since the latter is true but the opinions of a hypocrite, such as yourself don't concern me.

You probably think your actions have earned you the undying friendship of management, but I've heard it said that...


This principle is old, but true as fate, Kings may love treason, but the traitor hate. Thomas Dekker

Didn't follow this all the way through. Could you slow down so the rest of us could understand?

 

[jonjuan]

Didn't follow this all the way through. Could you slow down so the rest of us could understand?

You read too fast :laugh:

 

[gunfyter]

One thing. The Avantair guys were pretty decent to the rest of us when our companies furloughed. Why all the hate?

 

[sshrae]

Certainly some were. Others loved the fact that NJA struggled while their company thrived. The smart ones kept their mouths shut because they knew that this could easily happen over there as well, which is exactly what we are seeing. Stock is all the way up to .35 cents. This company would have been much better served kept private, I don't understand why they would choose to go public and make dismal financials available to any prospective owner. We just showed a 525 to an avantair owner who's looking to dry lease.

 

[brokeflyer]

going public only makes the rich CEO richer. While those guys at avatair are taking pay cuts into the mid 5 figures, management is giving themselves bonuses and deciding next how to use their skills as masters of the universe.

 

[Capt. JD]

Toss your resume into the fire place!

Looks like they need fresh meat on the low end of the pay scale to replace the pilots they have fired on the high end...

http://latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/284.html

 

[NJAowner]

I forgot the final number, but Avantair was able to raise several million $ in fresh capital through a private placement of stock since they were public. This fresh capital a few years back probably would not have been available if they were still a private company.

 

[G4dude]

going public only makes the rich CEO richer. While those guys at avatair are taking pay cuts into the mid 5 figures, management is giving themselves bonuses and deciding next how to use their skills as masters of the universe.

Karl Marx is posting now. Hi Karl!

 

[Capt. JD]

The unions caused the high pay for senior captains, putting downward pressure on the pay of junior pilots at majors and especially all pilots at the regionals.

So what are you proposing for the aviation industry? Equal pay at all jobs regardless of aircraft type, rank or longevity with a given airline or company? Your the one sounding like Karl Marx...

Karl Marx is posting now. Hi Karl!

G4 dude, if you prefer at will employment & think senior pilots are over paid cause you don't think your worth anything... Well Avantair would be the perfect place for you! Resign your post at NetJets and leave that horrible union situation in your past. I am sure Avantair would love to hire you into some special position like "Captain of Pay Scale Propaganda" to promote their new pay scale freeze & equally lower pay for everyone!

 

[Praetorian]

One thing. The Avantair guys were pretty decent to the rest of us when our companies furloughed. Why all the hate?

No hate on my part toward the Avantair pilots. Just don't like rats.

Especially rats that are responsible for keeping others harnessed to the humiliation of at-will employment.

Special place in hell for guys like GlassP. Dante would have him down with Judas, Brutus and Cassius.

 

[rettofly]

No hate on my part toward the Avantair pilots. Just don't like rats.

Especially rats that are responsible for keeping others harnessed to the humiliation of at-will employment.

Special place in hell for guys like GlassP. Dante would have him down with Judas, Brutus and Cassius.

In the interest of fairness, should the employee who is working under a contract that negates "at will" employment be bound to remain an employee for the duration of the contract?

Not that anyone would ever want to resign if a better offer came along.

 

[1folinepilot]

Praetorian, care to explain?

Your one to talk Praetorian with your union company doing down grades with pay cuts. The company wanted to freeze pay for down grades, but your union said NO take a pay cut. NICE!

Praetorian, care to explain what is going on at Flops with these pay cuts?

 

[gret]

Praetorian, care to explain what is going on at Flops with these pay cuts?

What??? They took pay cuts at his company that the union approved?

The shame...the humiliation...whoops...that only happens if you're working "at will".

 

[jetwash]

Praetorian, care to explain what is going on at Flops with these pay cuts?

In the contract it states what the pay is for each position.

Right or wrong everyone knew there would be a pay cut if you went to a smaller aircraft. Just like everyone knew that you would be displaced in order of seniority. Just like the company knew that those displaced pilots could bump into other positions.

To disregard the contract for 5 pilots benefit would be great if you were one of the 5 pilots. But what happens when the company asks to disregard the contract for 19 pilots who were just displaced and want to exercise their bumping rights into other aircraft.

Or what if the company wants to give extra pay to some of their good old boys such as the senior flight officer program should that also be allowed?

How can we expect the company to follow the contract if we are not willing to do so.