brokeflyer
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Worry about CYA after the fact..
no...you make sure you say "wow...look at that...both engines flamed out at V1" and get it on the CVR.
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Worry about CYA after the fact..
no...you make sure you say "wow...look at that...both engines flamed out at V1" and get it on the CVR.
Never heard of a "minus anything" call out in any plane I have trained on...
What do they rec'd?
I hope not discussing what the light/situation is?...I have heard some odd stuff at training centers, like aborting at V1-1kt for a screen failure...not happening on most runways we use. Common sense applies - 12K runway or 4K runway? They said it didn't matter...
Its all in the brief, get everyone on the same page.
We used to brief "After 80 KT, abort only for engine failure, fire or directional control problem". At V1, take it into the air.
30 KT windshear at liftoff: the airplane WILL land. Take the abort rather than trying to accelerate and fly. I've done it. It works.
Until you have been there and done that, it is easy to Monday morning quarter back, and that is why CA's are paid the big bucks, to make those decisions, most guys get it right, some don't.Its a never-ending debate, fly how you like and how your company likes...but planes will continue to go off the end of runways for items they could have easily landed with 5 mins later.
So you abort for windshear at Vr?.......who analyzes this in the 4 seconds between V1 and Vr?
Do whatever you want, Im more concerned in a thorough briefing than I am in anything else...and the brief should vary with conditions. I'm also sure you define "directional control"
On a 15,000ft runway in a business jet one can simply brief that they want to stop on anything before Vr (if they want)
But sorry, with most of the regular runways I use you wont find me aborting for a windshear at VR.
How about landing? You could be going around 10X on a real gusty winter day at my home airport (on a plateau) if you ran each time it yelled "windshear"
Its a never-ending debate, fly how you like and how your company likes...but planes will continue to go off the end of runways for items they could have easily landed with 5 mins later.
Did you miss the "if the aircraft is capable of flight" part? If both engines flame out or if you can't control it then why would you try to fly it?That is approaching loss of control, which is an emergency, use emergency authority do what you need to save the situation. How about both engines flame out at Vr? Worry about CYA after the fact. SOP is for normal procedures.
are you second guessing me?Did you miss the "if the aircraft is capable of flight" part? If both engines flame out or if you can't control it then why would you try to fly it?