Attn: All Airline Pilots

[atlcrashpad]

Stand firm and tell Management to stick their pay cuts. No airline will make customers happy when their crews are not happy. Pinch pennies some where else and quit taking it out on the crews.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Deal or No Deal?

 

[Flyerjosh]

AMEN FROM THIS PEANUT GALLERY!

 

[Superpilot92]

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pilotyip]

and where does the captial market, the customer and airline success stand in this big picture. What other solutions does the corporate pilot body have to make this work? repeat of old posty but it fitsThis is a pilot board so saying anything in defense of management is like peeing into the wind, that it is going to come back to you. CEO's are not intentionally running airlines into the ground. They would very much like to succeed. For lack of other reason it would make their resume look great, they would be doing something no other CEO had ever done. Top management includes many besides the CEO, the CEO sets direction as requested by the board. The CEO has little control over the airline, the airline is run by regulation and union contracts. They are at the mercy of the purchasing public, who with Internet access has made the airline ticket a perfectly elastic commodity. There is little they can do inside their structure. Other high paid top management personnel, in Operations, Maintenance. Marketing, Legal, Finance, etc. have unique skills in dealing with large organizations. This makes them marketable when shopping for a job, unlike pilots whose skills are nearly universal. An issue of ATW in the last year had an article about “Airline Management a dying breed”, the article basically said no one wants to do it. The good track record CEO’s are going to other industries. With tremendous, payrolls, overhead burdens, and extremely low margins, there is no tried and true path to success. Most have tried to increase market share, but this has lead to low price and ridiculous breakeven load factors in 95% range. What is management supposed to do? Eliminating management will bring the end quicker for the airplane industry, and their salaries are insignificant to the airlines operating costs. Without management you could not operate the airline, The FAA would shut it down without approved Part 119 key management. Would the pilots step up and become management for free in their spare time. Why is every time, pilot salaries come up, they are immediately compared to top management. I saw an article in ATW in the past couple years that stated at DAL there were 17 members of top management made more than the top DAL Captain. The combined top 17 salaries equaled less than 1/6 of 1% of the combined pilot salaries. If management worked for free all pilots in the company would get a 1/10 of 1% raise. (for a $100K per year pilot that would be $3/wk increase in take home) Boy that raise would really make the pilot group happy. Top management possesses skills that allow them to move from job to job and command high salaries. And every one of these managers wants to see his/her airline prosper. They just can not do it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Stand firm and tell Management to stick their pay cuts. No airline will make customers happy when their crews are not happy. Pinch pennies some where else and quit taking it out on the crews.

Policy by sound bite?

Yikes!

 

[FN FAL]

Stand firm and tell Management to stick their pay cuts. No airline will make customers happy when their crews are not happy. Pinch pennies some where else and quit taking it out on the crews.

You guys don't have a chance...I just met one our new 350 hour wonder pilots at the drop zone on Saturday.

He was quizzing me about minimums at our feeder and I told he needed 2,500 hours PIC, 100 multi PIC and previous 135 PIC experience to be competitive and he sneered something like, "but it's just a single engine plane!"

Whatever, guppy boy! If you wan't to make 42K a year flying single engine planes 3-4 days a week with no holidays, no weekends and no over night flying, you'll need to have the mins to apply for the job and 5 years of seniority...regardless of how many engines the plane has.

This guy tells me he has 50 hours of king air flight time from this 141 school he went to. I'm sure by the end of summer he'll have the minimum time necessary to get his regional job.

Point relevent to this thread, you got another one coming your way that's willing to pay for king air time and take that first regional job offered...regardless of what the pay is. More fodder for the cannon.

 

[BenderGonzales]

I remember being so jealous of those FedEx Feeder guys at EWN back in the day. (I was flying a POS C402 and sleeping in the plane for a few hours at night).

Nowadays these kids sneer at what is arguably one of the best jobs in aviation! No weekends, no holidays, home every day! Shiny-jet syndrome has blinded them to anything other than a $20,000/yr 70-90 passengers E-jet.

 

[mcjohn]

Pilotyip's post has some good points. However, no one should ever give in without a fight. Management must command A LOT of respect if they expect folks to take it quietly in any industry.

 

[FN FAL]

I remember being so jealous of those FedEx Feeder guys at EWN back in the day. (I was flying a POS C402 and sleeping in the plane for a few hours at night).

Nowadays these kids sneer at what is arguably one of the best jobs in aviation! No weekends, no holidays, home every day! Shiny-jet syndrome has blinded them to anything other than a $20,000/yr 70-90 passengers E-jet.

I like the job. FedEx does a great job with their feeders and for the moment, I can't see doing anything else.

However, it is funny, some of the comments I get from the fresh meat...(non-feeder 200-1000 hour guys).

Not picking on the new guys, but as long as there are hoards of brainwashed cult members feeding the bottom of this pyramid...the guys in the middle will be hosed.