ATN ALPA Recalls Move Forward

[Fubijaakr]

Bubba,
You are clueless on the finance structure of ALPA. The more you post the more ignorant you appear. For you and everyone like you that believes ALPA national is the power and everyone else is just puppets, you are wholly incorrect. Airtran pilots make the decisions for airtran pilots. ALPA national just maintains the professionals that give advice legal and accounting.

Thank you. You are correct, Sir.

 

[GuppyWN]

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Who farted?

Gup

 

[flynvixen]

Amateur hour, again.

Sure do wish we had a management lap dog, like SWAPA has GK. Apparently he fights the battles for them.

It only matters that we win not you......dont forget the company runs the company not the greedy unions......look what ALPA has done to your JV airline as well as the rest of the industry IE.....United, et al

 

[madjack]

FV,

Rudely put, but nonetheless factual:

"dont forget the company runs the company not the greedy unions......look what ALPA has done to your JV airline as well as the rest of the industry IE.....United, et al"


The AAI pilots lost hundreds of millions of dollars due to the greed of 7 MEC members and a couple hundred vocal pilots...I predict SWA will be forgiven by AAI pilots but the silent majority will harbor ill will towards their MEC members and those vocal pilots that shot the first deal down...

 

[bravodude]

That's exactly right. This is a waste of time and money. We're going to drop $10,000 for a vote that very well might fail to recall anybody, and if it is successful, the only thing we've accomplished is create an MEC that is nearly half vacant for a month and half during some very busy times. And then, after new elections, we'll have three brand new reps who have probably never done any union work before, and won't have a clue what they're doing.

But this is AirTran. We don't do union stability. We do infighting. As much as I'm an ALPA supporter, I actually look forward to SWAPA membership. It's not about the union, it's about the pilot group. You guys have a very unified and organized pilot group, and SWAPA is successful as a result. Our pilots will do well to see how a truly unified group can make things work.



No, ALPA National didn't give any advice one way or the other on the first deal. They merely gave the pros and cons and let the reps decide. That's how ALPA works. It isn't big brother telling you how to handle your local business.

Who the f are u and what did you do with the real PCL-128. You have never wanted to work at SWAPA and even went so far as to make a statement that if we ever merged you would Quit. Well I guess so much for been a women of your word!

 

[scoreboardII]

bravodude, it's part of the assimilation into the Borg, let it go man.

 

[OldManPilot]

Isn't the gloating a bit over the top?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Isn't the gloating a bit over the top?

Better get used to it. What did you expect from these guys?

 

[c9skytrain]

I was at the meeting on Friday. Before the meeting, I would not have known C if I had run over his perfectly moussed head. IMO, he basically admitted he had a huge chip on his shoulder from when ATA was acquired by SWA and the treatment they received.

I felt he used his position in the union to carry out a personal vendetta and he used our pilot group to do it. The other two, J and H were as Stalin would say, "useful idiots". I actually voted to keep H. J. on the other hand, needs turn by turn voice commands by gps to walk from the living room to the bathroom.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba,
You are clueless on the finance structure of ALPA. The more you post the more ignorant you appear. For you and everyone like you that believes ALPA national is the power and everyone else is just puppets, you are wholly incorrect. Airtran pilots make the decisions for airtran pilots. ALPA national just maintains the professionals that give advice legal and accounting.

You said, "the more you post" [about] "the finance structure of ALPA." Hmmm.. Let's see... the most recent post you quoted makes a total of uh... exactly ONE post I've made about ALPA's finances. Plus I posted a list of bullet points on a different thread, that I clearly listed as someone else's work. Did ALPA not teach you to count above one?

Okay, suppose you tell us how ALPA finances work. What I said was what other ALPA people have told me it works (you know, ones that aren't currently SWA-haters). Do you not send your dues to national? Do they then not provide you with capital to pay for operations? How's it REALLY work? Do you keep your money in-house (like SWAPA), but then occasionally send off a voluntary charitable donation to national? I'm assuming someone has to cover Capt Moak's salary and benefits, plus the cost of running the national show. Please enlighten us.

If how other ALPA pilots describe the finances to me is wrong, then fine. Don't spend any money, don't actually do anything with your union dues, don't try to get your money's worth. I don't actually care what your union does, although it is sometimes interesting and/or amusing to watch. I was trying to lighten up the mood. Like I said in my one post, it's your business (at least until the last AAI guy is absorbed and that particular chapter of ALPA ceases to provide dues to national, and winks out of existence in favor of SWAPA).

If you want to be pissed, then be pissed. That's on you, not me. It's gonna' make the rest of your career not much fun, and probably raise your blood pressure. From the tone of your post, somehow I don't think you're really "Full of Luv." Must be some of that sarcasm stuff...

Bubba

PS Maybe it's time for another thread debating the merits of ALPA vs an in-house union. Or then again, maybe not....

 

[SWA Bubba]

Thank you. You are correct, Sir.

Good one, Potsie.

Since people keep pushing you to explain your reasonings (and you can't), you seem to now be reduced to glad-handing and back-slapping any and every other SWA-hater who gets off a zinger. In this new light, you kinda' remind me of that cartoon where the big bulldog is going to fight some other animal, and this little chihuahua keeps running around in circles behind the bulldog shouting, "get 'em Spike! Get 'em!" In case you hadn't figured out, you're the chihuahua in this particular cartoon (but he WAS such a cute little thing!).

Bubba

 

[dh82dvr]

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much more peaceful.

:beer:

cheers more beers lads......

......and lasses

 

[On Your Six]

Voting AIP1 down at the MEC level, dumbest move in commercial aviation history....from a union leadership perspective...they should be ridden out of town on a rail...of course a few hundred vocal pilots had their ear too...just plain stupid...of course SWAPA could be just as stupid (the members not the leadership) and vote SL10 down...which would be the BEST case scenario for the AAI pilots going into arby...

Yeah but can you justify putting the bottom 60% of one company into the bottom 20% of a merged one? I don't think that would ever happen in arbitration, especially since neither airline was in BK. They thought the offer was bad (sounded like it), and they turned it down. QOL and seniority can be more important than pay, especially when pay can go away. Seniority really can't, unless the airline goes away.


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Isn't the gloating a bit over the top?

You didn't think this was going to happen?


Godspeed!


OYS

 

[Tripower455]

When you have a strong company that takes care of it's employees it's easy to have a unified pilot group.

Gup

I've found the opposite to be the truth.

Have we ever had a 98% vote on anything?